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re: What’s a real conservative solution to fix healthcare?
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:13 pm to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:13 pm to RaoulDuke504
Why can't we do what Singapore or Switzerland do?
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:14 pm to RaoulDuke504
get rid of it and let doctors and hospitals work it out
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:14 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Because they can’t afford that at all.
He does have a point though.
It's not a conservative think tank unless somebody's trying to kill poor people.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:52 pm to RaoulDuke504
I’ve been in the pharma industry for 20+ years now and it’s still the same problem it has been for years.
Need more competition
Need to reign in the insurance companies - pharma companies have better drugs available now but insurance continues to deny them saying they cost too much. So take a generic statin like you have for years etc. The thing is the insurance companies are already getting a deep discount on the drug to be placed on the formulary but they still continue to deny them.
Need to reign in the attorneys. Put a cap on lawsuits.
Need more competition
Need to reign in the insurance companies - pharma companies have better drugs available now but insurance continues to deny them saying they cost too much. So take a generic statin like you have for years etc. The thing is the insurance companies are already getting a deep discount on the drug to be placed on the formulary but they still continue to deny them.
Need to reign in the attorneys. Put a cap on lawsuits.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:55 pm to Beessnax
That’s silly.
Besides, margins on insurance are thin as it is.
Besides, margins on insurance are thin as it is.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:24 pm to RaoulDuke504
Get them out of the stock market
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:35 pm to RaoulDuke504
My plan is the only way we could quickly implement to go back to the free market without destroying the insurance industry overnight and creating other types of chaos.
My plan cuts $1T from the budget, minimum.
No one is kicked to the curb.
My plan produces massive profit near term and unfathomable profit long term.
My plan keeps the govt out of healthcare.
Because estimates are that using cash reduces healthcare costs by 40%-60%, my plan is deflationary.
My plan stops the spiral toward disaster and also gives us an opportunity to figure out how we shape our monetary system because right now we are detached from the Constitution. We either must go back to strict compliance with the Constitution or construct an amendment and move forward.
I presented my plan before. You buy in, that gets invested. You get a debit card that is used for healthcare costs, like cash. No insurance, no govt, just you and your provider. Long term investment produces insane profits down the road and money left on the debit card after people pass away will produce enough money to erase our debt in the near term. Lot more to it than that, but that is the most concise way to describe it.
My plan cuts $1T from the budget, minimum.
No one is kicked to the curb.
My plan produces massive profit near term and unfathomable profit long term.
My plan keeps the govt out of healthcare.
Because estimates are that using cash reduces healthcare costs by 40%-60%, my plan is deflationary.
My plan stops the spiral toward disaster and also gives us an opportunity to figure out how we shape our monetary system because right now we are detached from the Constitution. We either must go back to strict compliance with the Constitution or construct an amendment and move forward.
I presented my plan before. You buy in, that gets invested. You get a debit card that is used for healthcare costs, like cash. No insurance, no govt, just you and your provider. Long term investment produces insane profits down the road and money left on the debit card after people pass away will produce enough money to erase our debt in the near term. Lot more to it than that, but that is the most concise way to describe it.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:35 pm to jawnybnsc
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Why can't we do what Singapore or Switzerland do?
You know why.
Demographics
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:37 pm to troyt37
Trumps solution over a decade ago was to bring in Chinese competition
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:41 pm to troyt37
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Competition.
And as little government involvement as possible.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:44 pm to RaoulDuke504
We have too many people getting 100% of their healthcare paid for by the government right now to go true free market.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:49 pm to RaoulDuke504
Total cash system. Eff the insurance companies.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:04 pm to Jimmy Russel
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get rid of Medicare/Medicaid receiving guaranteed lowest prices. Problem solved
I see some people don't understand how this contributes to grossly inflated prices for everyone due both market distortions and associated administrative costs.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:06 pm to wadewilson
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It's not a conservative think tank unless somebody's trying to kill poor people.
Lower health care costs... fewer poor people. That's a win-win, isn't it?
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:06 pm to Flats
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Business types have been running hospitals long before the ACA showed up. Maybe the ratio increased after that?
Look it up.
Since 1970 the number of doctors has gone up like 200% while the number of admins has gone up by 3800%.
Ask any doctor about all of the redundant suits walking around.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:09 pm to POTUS2024
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:11 pm to RaoulDuke504
*Open competition across state lines and allowing supporting telehealth infrastructure
*Support via private tax incentives 24hr private clinics for non emergency in every Walmart/Target/walgreens/Kroger to keep the poor out of ER. Charge Medicaid patients a small Fee for using the ER. Can be refundable, but make them think twice (like the rest of us have to) about the necessity of a visit.
*Free med school to those who work in above clinics for six years after graduation
*cap malpractice costs
*bring generics to market sooner by limiting patent extensions
*reduce paper files
*streamline billing codes and show charges up front to customer so they can decide if a full color MRI is really worth $4,000 or if maybe a couple of Tylenol should do the trick for that headache.
*Support via private tax incentives 24hr private clinics for non emergency in every Walmart/Target/walgreens/Kroger to keep the poor out of ER. Charge Medicaid patients a small Fee for using the ER. Can be refundable, but make them think twice (like the rest of us have to) about the necessity of a visit.
*Free med school to those who work in above clinics for six years after graduation
*cap malpractice costs
*bring generics to market sooner by limiting patent extensions
*reduce paper files
*streamline billing codes and show charges up front to customer so they can decide if a full color MRI is really worth $4,000 or if maybe a couple of Tylenol should do the trick for that headache.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:12 pm to RaoulDuke504
Divorce insurance from employment. Allow individuals to establish collectives to purchase policies as groups. Allow insurance to sell across state lines. Offer heavy tax incentives for the use of high deductible health plans. Have transparent pricing for healthcare.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:20 pm to RaoulDuke504
Remove gooooooooooooooberment and collusion between insurers and AMA.
Better yet, end health insurance!!
Better yet, end health insurance!!
Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:26 pm to rltiger
In a manner somewhat like our Social Security system, Singapore takes mandatory deductions from workers' paychecks—around 20 percent of wages—and deposits them into health savings accounts called Medisave. Medisave accounts are used mostly for inpatient expenses, but also some outpatient ones. Singaporeans are expected to pay most of their outpatient expenses with non-Medisave cash.
On top of Medisave, Singapore has a government-run catastrophic insurance program called Medishield. Singaporeans can opt out of that plan and buy private catastrophic insurance. Premiums for Medishield can be paid for using the Medisave health savings accounts.
Then there is Medifund, a safety-net program for the bottom 10 percent of income earners, and Eldershield, a private insurance program for long-term care for those with old age-related disabilities. On top of these government-sponsored programs, Singaporeans can buy supplemental insurance for things like outpatient expenses.
Why does this system work so well? Because it incorporates the central idea behind free-market health care: that health-care spending is most efficient when that spending is executed by individual patients, rather than third parties. It's easy to waste other people's money. But if that money is your own, you are going to try your best to spend it wisely.
On top of Medisave, Singapore has a government-run catastrophic insurance program called Medishield. Singaporeans can opt out of that plan and buy private catastrophic insurance. Premiums for Medishield can be paid for using the Medisave health savings accounts.
Then there is Medifund, a safety-net program for the bottom 10 percent of income earners, and Eldershield, a private insurance program for long-term care for those with old age-related disabilities. On top of these government-sponsored programs, Singaporeans can buy supplemental insurance for things like outpatient expenses.
Why does this system work so well? Because it incorporates the central idea behind free-market health care: that health-care spending is most efficient when that spending is executed by individual patients, rather than third parties. It's easy to waste other people's money. But if that money is your own, you are going to try your best to spend it wisely.
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