re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?

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. You claim "many women come to love & care" for their rape babies, what facts do you have to back up your claim? I belong to several victims of rape groups around the country, my focus being on those who were impregnated as a result. And in talking to literally several hundred of such victims, I have found not one who even comes close to sharing this view. Roughly 20% said that they would have committed suicide rather than be forced to have their rapist's child. None wanted anything to do with having such a baby. None. But as I said, I have no problem with you having your own beliefs,whatever they may or may not be. Just quit trying to force your beliefs on others; quit judging others who do not share your beliefs. Just mind your own business for a change.

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For reasons I don't want to go into here, I am also invested in sexual abuse survivors help groups, although I've come to know more women and men who have suffered trauma from their own family or close friends of their family.

I can also state, without question, I have never met a woman who was raped and subsequently impregnated that she wishes she had the baby. Rape is a despicable act, and it is the most corrosive act that can happen to a person and survive.

People who live in their imaginary worlds do so at a great cost to themselves. Tell me, what exactly what would you tell a woman who's own father raped her to do when she found out she was pregnant? That's real life.

Abortion will never become illegal because too many people have the

I've also spoken at length with a woman who had a child with their brain growing without a skull. She terminated when 7 months pregnant and I have nothing but compassion for her. Should she have given birth to a child to suffer and die? Would it have been worth it to risk her reproductive organs - she later had a healthy baby - to delver a dying child?

Abortion is not the taking of a life as you would think of it in a school shooting - whoever posted that gruesome image.

Abortion, for rape victims and those who are not ready to be parents, should be seen as a compassionate choice. It is more akin to taking someone off of life support. And through my faith group I've worked with many men and who who find it difficult to understand that abortion is not wrong, is not a sin, and is a preferable choice in many many situations.

I am not that concerned with people who boast publicly that they are pro life. Because most likely they have supported an abortion when it was convenient to them.

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What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?}

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"Two wrongs don't make a right."

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You are the type of person I'm truly convinced that would do any horrifying crime he could legally get away with in any environment he was born in. Thank Christ you weren't born in the Middle East, or you'd give your daughter an honor killing after losing her virginity for getting rapped.

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I'm not going to read this whole thread, but are you having a conniption fit because he wouldn't want his daughter to have an abortion after being raped?

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You brought up some bizarre what-if scenario based on a child being the spawn of Satan

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How is that scenario bizarre, exactly?
After all, you made it clear IYV that even a partially human fetus would need be carried by an unwilling mother, even at her peril. An insane sperm bank employee inseminating an unsuspecting woman with chimpanzee sperm . . . she need to carry it; give birth to it.

You said in these scenarios it was your belief, based on the fact that God would intervene, even as he has allowed man the capacity to do so.

In what you called a "bizarre example", man would have ability to rid himself of Satan. Yet your preference would be to defer that decision. Your view is we should ignore our God-given ability and invite evil into the world. I just don't agree. It calls to question your rationale for use of other capabilities we are blessed with.

Can y'all name any other emotional problems for which the destruction of innocent life is the answer? Or is the aftermath of rape the only time that prescription would apply?

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You don't give a flying frick about your daughter's life. You only care about her surviving and staying completely in line. If you actually cared about her, you would support her through this and never think of her as a murderer. If you have kids, I can only hope they become better people than yourself and look at your beliefs as truly despicable.

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Im not religious and dont believe a reasonably timed abortion constitutes murder, but abortion still bothers me a great deal and I would definitely be conflicted if my daughter chose to get one and especially so if it was for the reason 85% of abortions are performed. That doesnt mean I dont care for her, it means her choice troubled me.

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are you having a conniption fit because he wouldn't want his daughter to have an abortion after being raped?

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The reaction is not just because he wouldn't want his daughter to have an abortion after being raped.

The reaction is because he wouldn't want his daughter to have an abortion after being raped . . . by an animal . . . as in an actual animal, an ape . . . or alternately by Satan incarnate.

did he really explain his rationale and reasoning when presented with those hypotheticals? I may have to go back and do some reading

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did he really explain his rationale and reasoning when presented with those hypotheticals? I may have to go back and do some reading

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Not that I can discern.

Thats probably true, but I dont think its smart to make a habit of judging people based on hypothetical extrapolations of their beliefs.

The reality is that, as it stands, his beliefs effect only a small number of people and are nonviolent. I think comparing that to an Islamic extremist who performs honor killings and sets off bombs in school buildings is unjustified.