re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?

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Y'all enjoy having me on this side of the argument?

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lol

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What part of my world is imaginary? I have convictions and I stick to them. While rape resulting in pregnancy isn't one of those things I've had to experience, there are a lot of things that have challenged my worldview over time and I have stuck with my principles because they aren't experience-driven.

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You answered your own question why your world is imaginary. You don't base your reality on what you see and experience, which make you delusional and see things that truly don't exist. In another words, your entire perception of reality is imaginary.

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But even parents who raise their kids right with a good mix of "should not" and "can't" rules still have to deal with sin and there's nothing you can do to guarantee that children won't do bad things. My goal is to teach my kids why they shouldn't do certain things so that they understand it; not just hear a bunch of rules that don't necessarily make any sense to them.

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Your goal should be to prepare them to survive in the real world.

As my ultra-christian ex-wife discovered the hard way. Telling a kid what not to do is basically giving them the road map of things to try.

But you will learn that soon enough...the hard way.

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How is that scenario bizarre, exactly?
After all, you made it clear IYV that even a partially human fetus would need be carried by an unwilling mother, even at her peril. An insane sperm bank employee inseminating an unsuspecting woman with chimpanzee sperm . . . she need to carry it; give birth to it.

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Discussing whether or not a half-human, half-chimp hybrid child should be cared for is not bizarre to you? With all the discussion about the legitimacy of abortion in the case of rape, I don't really want to discuss this sort of scenario.

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You said in these scenarios it was your belief, based on the fact that God would intervene, even as he has allowed man the capacity to do so.

In what you called a "bizarre example", man would have ability to rid himself of Satan. Yet your preference would be to defer that decision. Your view is we should ignore our God-given ability and invite evil into the world. I just don't agree. It calls to question your rationale for use of other capabilities we are blessed with.

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The reason I believe it is a bizarre example is because it assumes several things that I don't believe would ever happen. First of all, there is nothing in my understanding of Christianity that such a thing could or would happen. Secondly, even if it could happen, there is no reason to assume that anyone would know that child was Satan (or His spawn), and then finally, even if it did happen and we did know what the child was, there is nothing in my belief system that would lead me to believe that God would not take care of the situation Himself without wanting humans to deliberately disobey Him when it comes to taking a life based on what we think is true about the nature of the child.

See? It's really just ridiculous to discuss, it offers no value to the conversation, and I'd rather stick to what we know to be true: rape happens, pregnancy happens from rape, and women are faced with a choice to kill the child or let it live.

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He's a true extremist who doesn't give a frick about anything other than God's Word. If God's Word was a bit more extreme, then I see no reason he wouldn't carry it out like most people who claim they would always obey God's Word.

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Well, I guess we'll never know, because it is what is is, and it isn't what it isn't. You can make arguments for "well, but what if...?" all day long, but it really doesn't change what is right now.

What ISIS does is deplorable by the standard I adhere to, and saying I would be the same as them if my standard was the same as theirs doesn't really address what I actually believe.

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You answered your own question why your world is imaginary. You don't base your reality on what you see and experience, which make you delusional and see things that truly don't exist. In another words, your entire perception of reality is imaginary.

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Then everyone could be said to be delusional. If our reality is based or founded solely on sense perception, then how can anyone justify their sense perception. I cannot justify my sense perception off of sense perception. It is a viciously circular argument. How do I know my senses are trustworthy? They give me reliable information. How do I know that they give reliable information? My senses are trustworthy. Its like an argument from the Bible to God. How do I know God exists? The Bible says so. How do I know the Bible is true? God wrote it.

Essentially the belief that reality should be based on the senses cannot itself be based on the senses rendering a contradiction.

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That would be perfectly justifiable if one presupposes that God's Word is not God's Word. However if God's Word were in fact true, as FooManChoo believes, then it would be incorrect to put your daughter over it. The greatest good, if God's Word was truly God's Word, would be God Himself. The first scenario is justifiable for God's Word would be false. To put something false over a loved one would be heinous.

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This is exactly what I believe.

Fortunately, I don't have to choose God's word over my daughter, or vice versa, because I believe that the greatest good for my daughter is to apply God's word in her life.

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When you are in a motor vehicle, I assume you wear a seatbelt. You clearly do not simply put it in God's hands, you take tangible measures which you KNOW work to protect yourself apart from God. Then when you get in a wreck, you say God saved you abd not the seatbelt.

Im also assuming you dont let your small children stay home by themselves. God shoukd just protect them if you pray, right? No need for a sitter unless you have doubt that they would be protected.

And one day if you get cancer, you wont just put it in God's hands. You'll seek treatment from modern medicine and, if you survive, you'll give God all the credit.

Strangely, God always seems to need help from us to accomplish good outcomes. The only time his will doesnt involve human intervention, it turns out poorly for us.

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None of those examples are potential violations of God's revealed will (His law), therefore those sorts of actions are prudent and making good use of the knowledge, skills, and abilities that God has blessed humanity with. Thanking God for protection on those cases is applicable because, in spite of those human precautions, bad results could still occur. Even in tragedy, I believe God should be praised, since it is said that God works all things for the good of those who love Him. Even in tragedy (from our perspective), God uses it for good. We just don't always get to see how that works out in all cases. It's why it's a religion of faith.

It gets back to the discussion of God's sovereignty vs. man's responsibility, like I said previously. I don't believe I'm enforcing it selectively at all. Perhaps it just needs more discussion for clarification, but I'd rather address it separately from this thread, since I'm already getting off-track.

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If you'd like to shoot me an email, we can compare our "interpretations".

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Why?

Seriously, why via email?

God obviously considered asking a father to sacrifice his son.
Then he sacrificed his own son.

We all die. What is the difference between death via abortion, death via tragedy, and death at longevity?

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the soul doesn't enter the body until birth

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Link?