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What would be the consequences of opening everything up tomorrow?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:10 pm
And do the negative outweigh the positive?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:13 pm to Emperor Burrow
Inside Sweden's Radically Different Approach to Coronvirus
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The ski pistes are open, the restaurants are doing ample business and the malls are awash with shoppers.
Welcome to Sweden, the last holdout among the small number of Western countries to have taken a radically different approach to the coronavirus pandemic.
While social life in Europe and much of the U.S. now centers on the home after governments imposed increasingly drastic curbs on freedom of movement, Sweden left offices and stores open, issued recommendations rather than restrictions, and waited to see what happens.
Businesses, kindergartens and schools remain open. After a long winter, Stockholm’s street cafes and outdoor bars swelled with people over the weekend, and the city’s old town drew large crowds as locals ventured out to enjoy the good weather. The only mandatory rules are a ban on meetings of more than 50 people and an order forcing bars and restaurants to only serve seated customers so as to avoid overcrowding
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It is too early to assess whether Sweden’s approach will have a benign or catastrophic outcome, but so far, the virus hasn’t spread widely there. Sweden, with 10 million inhabitants, had 4,028 confirmed infections and 146 deaths by Monday, according to a tally compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Austria, a similarly-sized European country with about 8.8 million people that is under lockdown, had 9,200 cases and 108 deaths.
Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and architect of the policy, says the approach, much like the original British one, is to let the virus spread as slow as possible while sheltering the elderly and the vulnerable until much of the population becomes naturally immune or a vaccine becomes available.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:15 pm to Emperor Burrow
That would be fricking horrible.
There is a lag between social distancing measures and outcomes. We are just starting to see their effect.
So if you opened everything up you would get all of the downside of the economy being closed these past few weeks with virtually none of the upside on health.
You would get a faster recovery, but not really since everything would just shut down again once it becomes apparent that hospitals are overloaded.
Personally I had hoped that we could slowly start to open up again on the 13th. I guess now that will have to be the 30th.
There is a lag between social distancing measures and outcomes. We are just starting to see their effect.
So if you opened everything up you would get all of the downside of the economy being closed these past few weeks with virtually none of the upside on health.
You would get a faster recovery, but not really since everything would just shut down again once it becomes apparent that hospitals are overloaded.
Personally I had hoped that we could slowly start to open up again on the 13th. I guess now that will have to be the 30th.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:16 pm to Emperor Burrow
The Media and the Left would need to be ventilated from their hyperventilating
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:18 pm to Emperor Burrow
It would be "biblical"
Old Testament, Real Wrath-of-God type stuff!
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
Old Testament, Real Wrath-of-God type stuff!
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:18 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Damnit You beat me to it
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:19 pm to Emperor Burrow
Well Sweden is averaging 18 deaths per million people and we're averaging 10 per million. That should tell you something.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:20 pm to BigJim
quote:Define horrible
That would be fricking horrible.
quote:OK
There is a lag between social distancing measures and outcomes. We are just starting to see their effect.
quote:Well yeah. But, a stupid decision yesterday doesn't necessitate continuation of said stupid decision.
So if you opened everything up you would get all of the downside of the economy being closed these past few weeks with virtually none of the upside on health.
quote:Don't shut everything down.
You would get a faster recovery, but not really since everything would just shut down again once it becomes apparent that hospitals are overloaded.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:20 pm to Emperor Burrow
If I’m understanding the news, it means we’d all be speaking Italian in 5-10 days. Or maybe it’s that we’d all be eating Italian food. Something like that.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:22 pm to Homesick Tiger
Damn, a per capita rate of .000018% for them? How will they ever bounce back from that?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:24 pm to Emperor Burrow
quote:
And do the negative outweigh the positive?
Not even close.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:25 pm to Emperor Burrow
People would get paid.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:28 pm to Adajax
Negatives:
People go back to a normal life,,,
Push for big gov't decreases...
Economy doesn't self destruct...
Oh wait, you meant negatives for people that aren't member of the Cabal. Yeah I got nothing!
People go back to a normal life,,,
Push for big gov't decreases...
Economy doesn't self destruct...
Oh wait, you meant negatives for people that aren't member of the Cabal. Yeah I got nothing!
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:29 pm to Emperor Burrow
This thread is a good example of what I was talking about with Risk Tolerance Homeostasis. There are people who are easily scared and those who are difficult to scare.
I'm starting to wonder how many of you have differences in fear among your immediate family. IE, is your wife/husband more apprehensive than you?
I'm starting to wonder how many of you have differences in fear among your immediate family. IE, is your wife/husband more apprehensive than you?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:31 pm to Emperor Burrow
Loads more people eventually become ill and die BUT the economy starts recovering quicker therefore mitigating the pain and suffering associated with prolonging the current situation.
No one wants millions of people to die BUT the economic impacts we are looking at are going to impact generations....and deaths will happen due to violence, substance abuse, unwanted pregnancy (folks at home with Netflix buffering are doing some serious heing and sheing….and many of the children are not going to be born into good situations) and a general lack of hope for the future. The longer we continue as we are now the worse it gets until the cure is far more damaging than the disease. I think we are making a BAD situation infinitely worse...I hope I am wrong and we bounce back quickly but I don't see it.....
No one wants millions of people to die BUT the economic impacts we are looking at are going to impact generations....and deaths will happen due to violence, substance abuse, unwanted pregnancy (folks at home with Netflix buffering are doing some serious heing and sheing….and many of the children are not going to be born into good situations) and a general lack of hope for the future. The longer we continue as we are now the worse it gets until the cure is far more damaging than the disease. I think we are making a BAD situation infinitely worse...I hope I am wrong and we bounce back quickly but I don't see it.....
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:37 pm to OchoDedos
quote:
The Media and the Left would need to be ventilated from their hyperventilating
Regardless of how bad this is or is not...
The media is holding us hostage with this as long as they can to hurt Trump.
It doesn't matter what happens now. They aren't going to allow or help us get back to normal any time soon.
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