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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:46 am to c on z
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:46 am to c on z
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They didn’t trust Trump’s rollout of the vaccine. That’s a major point that gets overlooked when this gets brought up.
you may actually be the biggest moron here. 
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:46 am to Cosmo
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And I think there is a psychological cost to masks. Its not healthy for kids to think this is “normal” and that viruses are the scariest thing ever.
Naw. There’s no cost to a five year old thinking that they might die because their mask slipped. It’s all $0.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:47 am to c on z
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They didn’t trust Trump’s rollout of the vaccine.
Think about that for a minute.
Now, try to be honest, I don't think you can do it, but try..
Apply that to current non progressives who are shot hesitant
Are you calling them uniformed? Irresponsible? Stupid? 
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Generally agree with you. The only thing I will say is, as the Atlantic article just indicated, almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases. These guys should not be admitted to the hospital. Give them horse paste or whatever. It's like idiots taking up emergency rooms for the flu.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:48 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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At some level, I suspect this is what the concept of public health is about, and my sense is that many in the anti-vax crowd put little, if any, importance on the concept of public health.
If you can find a doctor who works in public health who is opposed to socialized medicine, you will have located a unicorn.
Secondly, public health focuses on process to almost the exclusion of outcome.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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I never said it should be mandated by anyone.
But you’re suggesting that someone should be penalized for their personal choice should it affect another that chose the suggested method.
You’re not thinking this through.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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No that's literally the right wing handbook
Only an indoctrinated dumbass would actually believe that.
I've been on the right most of my life and never believed what you believe. You've been indoctrinated by pussy.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
What responsibility do Drug overdose "frequent flyers" have when they deny other hospital care.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:50 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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But you’re suggesting that someone should be penalized for their personal choice
he's all over the place
The only consistency is his morality ploys. He's a collectivist.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You've been indoctrinated by pussy.
SFP got Kaepernick'ed
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also, this is nothing like the "obesity" counter
Considering obesity significantly increases the odds that a person is hospitalized for Covid complications it is a 100% valid comparison. If a person can’t do something as simple as eating less and moving a little more then they have zero moral high ground when it comes to personal health decisions of others.
There is at least a slight risk in having complications from the “vaccine.” There is zero risk in refraining from overeating and walking a little more
I’m betting that you are at least overweight and probably cross the line into obesity.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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people discuss welfare
You mean public funds?
Goddamn, who is posting for you right now?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Unvaxed people bear no more responsibility than overweight people or smokers.
Americans make lots of poor healthcare choices, there is no logical reason to punish someone who has not taken the covid vaccine and not punish those other people.
Poor diets in America kill far more people than anything else.
Maybe if hospitals didnt run off nurses and other staff with vaccine mandates they wouldnt have this problem.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:53 am to alphaandomega
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Unvaxed people bear no more responsibility
/thread
The collectivist will disagree. Watch him.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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That is very personal. Some people are just assholes who never bear responsibility for anything. Some try to remake reality so that they're the hero and never have to bear responsibility for anything. Some are raised in cultures of reliance that create a mindset where nothing is their fault. Some people join with others in cult-like thinking where they truly believe they aren't at fault. There isn't a singular answer to this question, especially with the wide variety of people on earth.
That's all wonderful, but you stated that someone in the hospital who isn't vaccinated bears a personal responsibility for any deaths due to lack of hospital resources. What is the best case for bearing responsibility for a death? People should turn themselves into the police for some form of crime? Eliminate themselves?
Getting vaccinated doesn't even cover the deaths that person should already be responsible for, in your own opinion. Is this just a shame tactic? The message board citizen's version of mandates?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:55 am to Raz4back
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I’m betting that you are at least overweight
I'd put money on it. Fatties are the biggest haters of individuality.
This is SFPs re-coming out party. From liberal, to libertarian, to progressive.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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. If your choices lead to a negative outcome to others, then your choices are well beyond just a personal choice. This is the part of the argument that many unvaccinated people refuse to admit
This would have no impact if hospitals didn’t fire or force resignation of medical personnel due to not being vaccinated. Hospitals created this situation.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'll remember this term the next time people discuss welfare or crime and personal responsibility on here.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility means accepting the results of your own decisions / actions as those decisions / actions impact you.
It doesn't have anything to do with your decisions / actions impacting someone else.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:56 am to GRTiger
I think he's just making a normative judgement about personal behavior in a community.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
SFP should probably kill himself. If he doesn't, his posts on this board are definitely going to result in negative health outcomes for the rest of us. #healthequity
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