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re: What K-12 public school is teaching CRT?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:05 pm to PickupAutist
Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:05 pm to PickupAutist
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The main downfall of conservatives re: institutional presence has been that conservatives never had any interest in running government or institutions. They bought fully into the post-Reagan idea that the best government was small or no government, that entrepreneurialism and corporate striving were valorous in themselves, and that "the free market" probably had all the answers. The end result is that they lost control of government, and the business culture they championed has decided conservatives are the problem and should be extinguished. This is, no matter how you look at it, a record of abject failure, and you can't blame it all on devious libs.
I’m not sure I really disagree with you on any of that, but I was talking more the free marketplace of ideas Louis Brandeis and Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote about in their concurrence in Whitney v. California. General idea being that good ideas will rise to the top by their virtue and ability to withstand criticism and bad ideas will not have a following as people are free to criticize and reject them.
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:11 pm to boosiebadazz
It had been awhile since I read it so I went back and pulled the Wiki.
Is this not an incredible passage? It’s almost revolutionary in these woke, cancel culture times:
Is this not an incredible passage? It’s almost revolutionary in these woke, cancel culture times:
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Those who won our independence believed that the final end of the State was to make men free to develop their faculties, and that, in its government, the deliberative forces should prevail over the arbitrary. They valued liberty both as an end, and as a means. They believed liberty to be the secret of happiness, and courage to be the secret of liberty. They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that, without free speech and assembly, discussion would be futile; that, with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty, and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government. They recognized the risks to which all human institutions are subject. But they knew that order cannot be secured merely through fear of punishment for its infraction; that it is hazardous to discourage thought, hope and imagination; that fear breeds repression; that repression breeds hate; that hate menaces stable government; that the path of safety lies in the opportunity to discuss freely supposed grievances and proposed remedies, and that the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones. Believing in the power of reason as applied through public discussion, they eschewed silence coerced by law -- the argument of force in its worst form. Recognizing the occasional tyrannies of governing majorities, they amended the Constitution so that free speech and assembly should be guaranteed.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:50 pm to DeLis503
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CRT isn’t new and has been taught for years in higher education courses. Who’s kid is being taught this?
Oh, so you're one of those disingenuous fricks?
There was a masterful bullshite op ed in my state's largest media outlet "debunking" the teaching of CRT in K-12. According to the author, CRT opponents are liars, as only the guiding principles of CRT, such as that every institution is inherently racist, are being taught in K-12. The full scope of CRT is only taught in colleges.
Every word was laughable bullshite.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:05 am to DeLis503
My son, last year as a Junior.
Black female teacher decided to stray from the course guidelines and conduct an informal class on the local “hanging tree.” You know, the tree where blacks were lynched? My son was told that not only did all small southern towns have one, but that she was sure some of the white students in the class knew where the local tree was located.
I blistered the Principles arse the next morning.
Black female teacher decided to stray from the course guidelines and conduct an informal class on the local “hanging tree.” You know, the tree where blacks were lynched? My son was told that not only did all small southern towns have one, but that she was sure some of the white students in the class knew where the local tree was located.
I blistered the Principles arse the next morning.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:29 am to DeLis503
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Who’s kid is being taught this?
*whose
Not mine. We’re all private school, all the time.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:40 am to boosiebadazz
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Middle school and high school kids are not sophisticated enough to criticize and analyze it.
But I’ll revise my earlier statement that it should only be taught in college-level courses if it is allowed to be criticized and rejected in discussion.
It’s a garbage and way oversimplified theory, but I’m not really for censoring any viewpoint out of a college curriculum.
I agree. If it is just a venue for one race to flog the other and it is a totally one sided discussion it has absolutely no place in school or workplace settings, There is no objectivity from all that has been shown.
There needs to be honest discourse and blacks need to be held accountable for their failures and wrongdoings. Th eproblem with this , of course is that anyone who raises those issues will be attacked and villified by the instructor and those who buy into the ideology.
Those forced into it by their employers may feel their job security is at peril if they dare challenge it. Look at how the military has so easily capitulated.
A national backlash is steadily growing and hopefully it becomes the linchpin to flip political power in 2022 and 2024. The left and the praetorian media used the George Floyd incident to political advantage last year. The Tea Party movement and Donald Trump sowed we can take back our country. This time every possible safeguard of election integrity must be utilized . The Republicans should not be blind sided by the audacity of what occurred in 2020 to prevent another debacle.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 4:55 am to boosiebadazz
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but I’m not really for censoring any viewpoint out of a college curriculum.
How about the flat earth theory?? Especially if you allow those who "believe it" to riot and burn shite down if everyone doesn't immediately accept their view without question??
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:10 am to boosiebadazz
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College is where it belongs. Teach the basics to high school kids.
CRT belongs nowhere
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:26 am to boosiebadazz
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College is where it belongs. Teach the basics to high school kids.
It belongs in the ash heap of history right along with its common ancestor, Communism
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:36 am to boosiebadazz
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I’m not really for censoring any viewpoint out of a college curriculum.
Do they teach about Christianity?
I'm not religious, but if they want to open minds to all ideas...
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:57 am to DeLis503
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Who’s kid is being taught this?
I work at a middle school and can tell you that it is taught in every class. CRT is already sprinkled through 75% of the curriculum. Sure, it's not called CRT, but it's there.
Our district also has a block set aside each day for Social Emotional Learning (SEL). This is CRT dressed up in sheep's clothing. So many of the assignments throughout the day beat the kids over the head about race, gender, sexual orientation, immigration, healthcare (yes, even healthcare), that it is horrifying.
I think it is already too late to get it out of the curriculum because it's hidden in there. If the state came and told our district that we couldn't do SEL anymore, it wouldn't matter because the textbooks are written with a CRT slant.
People need to engage with their school aged kids and inspect their schoolwork. Arm them with facts and teach them that they don't have to believe everything they are presented at school. And please, stop removing your kids from public schools. If everyone that is against CRT leaves, there will be no voices of objection, and public schools will become bigger social justice farms than they already are.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:01 am to Lieutenant Dan
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I literally have a 6 hour zoom on this bullshite tomorrow for work.
Record that shite!
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:03 am to boosiebadazz
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It’s the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it as true. College is where it belongs. Teach the basics to high school kids.
What about flat earth theory? Since both are based on absolute nonsense.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:11 am to DeLis503
quote:Four posts in and gaslighting? Really?
CRT isn’t new and has been taught for years in higher education courses. Who’s kid is being taught this?
The CRT debate is not centered on higher education. It is centered on elementary school kids being taught they are natural genetic oppressors or naturally genetically oppressed based on skin color.
You're honestly okay with that?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:14 am to NC_Tigah
People in here saying CRT should be discussed 
it’s factually incorrect hate speech only making it into mainstream because there’s a portion of the race who feel guilty for everything they have.
it’s factually incorrect hate speech only making it into mainstream because there’s a portion of the race who feel guilty for everything they have.Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:18 am to boosiebadazz
quote:Can it?
It can be discussed in college.
"It can be discussed in college" implies collegiates freely entertaining pros and cons of the topic. Try taking the "con" position (aka you fricking racist pos) in a present college campus debate.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:37 am to The Pirate King
quote:It should be discussed --- discussed HONESTLY.
People in here saying CRT should be discussed
Of course, honest discussion would be its undoing. So instead it is indoctrinated. Antithetical conceptualization is disallowed.
US CRT envisions the 'original sin' as "1619". "1619" led to the current plight of America's impoverished Black population. It erroneously applies the premise not to the Black US population as a whole, just the impoverished segment.
Meanwhile, the CRT antithesis obviously centers on the question:
"What if '1619' had never occurred?"
What if US slavery had never happened?
How would the current plight of America's impoverished Black population compare if those same individuals were never here, but rather remained as inhabitants of Senegal, Gambia, or Angola?
None of that is to discount slavery, Jim Crow, or any injustice. It is just applying CRT to its natural "what if" endpoint.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:00 am to boosiebadazz
CRT does belong anywhere . You first mentioned it as good with keeping it of high school then turn around and claim to do the basics in high school . And educated mind and debate both sides of an issue true , but this is being pushed as truth to the society as a whole . It’s at corporate level but the worst is that it’s being used as a tool against the populace as a preferred outcome . Giving false knowledge to the most uneducated and them excepting it as well will give a whole new meaning of racist behavior across the spectrum . If the narrative was indoctrinated into the system that only whites or Chinese are specifically entitled to an outcome would that be okay . Are all people not afforded equal rights and outcomes being the result of equal opportunities ? What group of people in this country are held down against their will ? I would suggest the only thing holding anyone from succeeding is will power and education . Who contributed to the lack of education in this country ? The Democrats have controlled most urban areas for 100 years or better which in some cases have been black leaders for decades upon decades and the urban areas are shameful in this country . Black people don’t have to choose to live in this environment but most follow their local leaders no matter how bad they are . Education is the only answer and false education is destructive at best
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:03 am to Lieutenant Dan
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I literally have a 6 hour zoom on this bullshite tomorrow for work.
If you got out of this with one training consider it a win, it’s been the year of woke corporate training from coast to coast.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:05 am to boosiebadazz
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It’s the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it as true.
That's the problem though, they are not just teaching that it's true they are demanding college students repeat it back to them.
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