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re: What K-12 public school is teaching CRT?

Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:06 am to
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:06 am to
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And please, stop removing your kids from public schools. If everyone that is against CRT leaves, there will be no voices of objection, and public schools will become bigger social justice farms than they already are.

This is an insane take.

“Hey everyone, CRT is intrinsic to everything we are teaching your children and lying to you about, but please don’t remove them from our indoctrination camps or it might get worse.”

No no, remove your children tomorrow, then vote out the entire school board and any politicians who support this garbage.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:25 am
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:16 am to
We had a bill this year banning CRT. Too bad it got killed in committee, by the author, after a favorable vote.

Thanks Black Caucus. You have no clue what CRT is. It could very well be the downfall of this country but since your race is in the spotlight, we must have it.
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:19 am to
Uh, let's destroy this CRT first. Then put kids in the schools that LISTEN to the parents once its safe to do so. I'm not putting my child in their hands while they divide and mold their minds in private.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:23 am to
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This is an insane take.

“Hey everyone, CRT is intrinsic to everything we are teaching your children and lying to you about, but please don’t remove them from our indoctrination camps or it might get worse.”

No no, remove your children tomorrow, the. vote out the entire school board and any politicians who support this garbage.



It's not insane. What is insane is being someone who knows the truth and running away and hiding from the fight.

My kids know how to dispute what is being presented and bring facts to the argument. They talk to their friends and present the other side which the school is not presenting. When in history has anything been overcome by retreating and hiding with other like minded folks?

You don't light a candle and hide it under a bush.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:27 am to
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Uh, let's destroy this CRT first. Then put kids in the schools that LISTEN to the parents once its safe to do so.


Does anyone raise their own children anymore? I am not afraid of my kids being brainwashed because we teach them the morals and values we have as parents. We have open conversations and discuss what is being taught to them.

If you think your kid is susceptible to brainwashing you need to step up your involvement.
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:37 am to
Part of raising is protecting them. I raise my child to praise the Lord and love her country.

But you underestimate the intimidating effect on a child when another adult is pushing ideas on them, especially when you send them there to learn. If they teach it and you know it, then you approve it. It's quite different than teaching evolution or alternate religions. Kids will already have strong foundations there.

They don't have opinions or defenses on CRT and that age. Its not fair to expose them at those ages. They don't have the life experiences and the hardness you and I have. They only have their friends. And they put them against each other.

Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:45 am to
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Part of raising is protecting them.


I agree. Protection sometimes comes in the form of learning to defend themselves. Now, my kids are a little bit older, so I can concede that it is questionable for the younger kids.

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But you underestimate the intimidating effect on a child when another adult is pushing ideas on them

I guess we just look at things differently. We teach our kids to respect authority not to fear it. We look at the reality of the situation and that these teachers don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

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Its not fair to expose them at those ages.


I agree. It's also not fair to have to teach them about stranger danger or good touch/bad touch, but we have to anyway. It goes back to what you said about protecting them. I don't like it, but that's the reality of the world we live in.
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:45 am to
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If you think your kid is susceptible to brainwashing you need to step up your involvement.


Nice attack on parenting.

What I'm talking about IS parental involvement. Not being involved would mean leaving them in it.

I'll trust my kids ability to discern when they're 18 and out of the house. Until then, I'm responsible.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16450 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:46 am to
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And please, stop removing your kids from public schools.


I’m going to send my kids where they have the greatest chance to learn and excel in life. Screw leaving them in government schools to be indoctrinated.

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If everyone that is against CRT leaves, there will be no voices of objection, and public schools will become bigger social justice farms than they already are.


Good. Let the government school kids essentially get a degree in CRT while my kids get an actual education academically as well know how the real world works, not the fairytale that everyone is equal bullshite.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:49 am to
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Nice attack on parenting.


I'm not attacking parents. If you think you're kids can be brainwashed by someone then you are telling me you are not confident in your parenting skills.

Some people teach their kids to stand up for themselves and some teach them to run away from the problem. No judgment. To each his own.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:50 am to
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Good. Let the government school kids essentially get a degree in CRT while my kids get an actual education academically as well know how the real world works, not the fairytale that everyone is equal bullshite.


Yeah? How many kids are in public schools vs private?

When they are adults and outnumbered by these SJW robots, how is that going to work out for them?
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16450 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:01 am to
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When they are adults and outnumbered by these SJW robots, how is that going to work out for them?


The cream always rises to the top. A degree in SJW/CRT is useless in any real world scenario.
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:16 am to
Its not shielding them from the theory. I'll show them that and how to deal with it. Its shielding them from being presented this as fact in a learning environment. That's my role.

BTW, I don't know what school you went to but mine taught nothing about how to deal with real world. Probably because it changes with the wind and you'll just figure it out, as an adult.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:19 am to
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If you think you're kids can be brainwashed by someone then you are telling me you are not confident in your parenting skills.


lol
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123814 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:30 am to
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I am not afraid of my kids being brainwashed because we teach them the morals and values we have as parents
It is incredibly naive to assume kids who spend more waking hours in an indoctrinating cesspool than they do with you would not be influenced by the cesspool.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11143 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:28 am to
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I'm not attacking parents. If you think you're kids can be brainwashed by someone then you are telling me you are not confident in your parenting skills.

I wouldnt let children watch TV shows that have negative messaging, but you would ask me to expose them to messaging that is toxic and racist for 8+ hours a day for years at school while I fight a political battle?

In what world does that make any sense?

And what benefit would it serve the children to take that approach?

And how are children under 12 supposed to fight against that level of negative socialization and pressure?
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:31 am
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:32 am to
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CRT isn’t new and has been taught for years in higher education courses. Who’s kid is being taught this?



If you are this stupid and ignorant you don't deserve a fricking answer. This is literally seeping into every public school in this nation. Its euphemisms of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are everywhere. These DEI propaganda offices are at Ole Miss and LSU.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 10:41 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79128 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:53 am to
Toddy is so based

And he's right

The talking points the left is using are absurd, but they illustrate the dangers. As do the responses from those on the left and the soft right saying things like "well why not also ban teaching about marxism, etc."

Nobody is teaching CRT in K12. Sure, that's true if you mean "nobody is teaching students what CRT is in K-12." Rather, they're teaching CRT praxis such that kids are being indoctrinated with concepts without ever knowing there is a debate about them, or that they originate with obscure critical theories from academia authored by people who've never produced anything of actual value.

If a school is talking about DEI, equity, antiracism, whiteness, privilege, other ways of knowing, etc. - the debate over CRT is really irrelevant. Skip over it. The school is teaching regressive, illiberal, anti-enlightenment, anti-civil rights movement, anti-individual, anti-science concepts. Call it out and destroy it.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11079 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:54 am to
So instead of an 8th grader learning algebra 1, biology and physics you think it's healthy that they are being distracted enough to the point they have to "bring facts" about a "debate" not started in good faith? You think that's an efficient education system? 13 and 14 year olds debating issues they know nothing about?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11079 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:00 am to
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the debate over CRT is really irrelevant. Skip over it. The school is teaching regressive, illiberal, anti-enlightenment, anti-civil rights movement, anti-individual, anti-science concepts


We need the separation of church and state in our education system. Has the supreme court ever defined "church" in this context?
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