re: What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?

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Please don't try to hold me responsible for generations of frick ups who have only survived and reproduced by the grace of an abundance of social programs which eventually produced an individual who shook his infant to death.

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Yep. There are people walking around breeding today that would be dead, or never born in past generations. The government has take away most of Darwin's affect.

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you spend your entire day dreaming of ways that government can control everything?

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She is describing a very specific situation where our institutions fail people and this is your response? She isn't saying that the government should control everything. She is pointing to an issue that the government does control and fails miserably at and asking what could be done to improve the outcomes.

You're literally worthless and incapable of having any productive thoughts

I’ve never met a social worker who didn’t think the system made people what they are. But that’s because social workers spend all of their time trying to get the system to give more resources to people.

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institutions fail people

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It is not at all clear that the institutions failed people in her post. That certainly her interpretation, but she’s telling the story of a guy who committed an armed robbery, then got a felon pregnant and then is being charged with killing a kid. I would guess that the fault of the institution in those three instances is very minimal .

Why wasn't he aborted?

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You didn't include this part in your OP. I asked if he had a drug or mental illness problem, and you didn't reply.

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I’m assuming he has some mental health challenges.

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I question the integrity of the specific individual you are referencing in the OP. Perhaps a better support system would have set them on a better path, but there’s no support system that should be needed for someone to know not to shake a baby.

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I’m acquainted with him. I actually saw him with the Baby about a week before this happened. He was wearing the baby and rifling through the diaper bag. I asked him if I could help him find something since my hands were free. He looked over and said he needed a stroller. I told him I’d ask around. I could see he was overwhelmed but I didn’t realize how dire the situation was. I wish I would have offered to take the baby (although that would have been insane since I don’t even know if the dad knows my name). The baby was happy and interacted with me. He smiled.

My son is 3 or 4 months older than this baby so I would always ask the dad about the baby when I saw him. He’d show me pictures and videos and would just be beaming with pride. I could see how much he loved that sweet baby.

It’s all-around devastating. I assume the baby was crying and maybe dad thought he was soothing the baby or maybe he just snapped. He clearly doesn’t know how to take care of a baby. Now that sweet little baby is gone and the dad will spend years in prison where he won’t get any help or learn anything about parenting or anything else productive. Everyone loses.

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What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?

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The foster system has a number of problems.
These problems stem from the loss of the orphanage system which had its own significant problems.

1. Inheritance.
In the US full adoption is quite the sacrifice.
If you have children, adopting one means that any lower middle class inheritance now is vulnerable to the claims of the adopted child.
Now that's not an issue for most if the child is adopted young, or is already a family member. Sibling love will develop, family bonds are more than blood.
But a 12 year old with behavioral issues? Fck that is the opinion of most people.
Seriously my wife and I looked into adoption, the number of kids under 5 who don't have older siblings in a package, or crippling health issues requiring special medical care and home access is... zero.
And it doesn't matter what race the baby would be, those kids don't exist.
Which is why many go overseas for a baby/toddler.
https://adoptuskids.org/_app/child/searchpResults.aspx
Seriously there are two, one is only available to families from Texas the other only available to families from Tennessee, and I doubt either makes it another month with out being adopted.
Kids 5-6 is nearly the same, there are less than 12 healthy kids, a number of those 12 have single state, continued parental contact, and behavioral requirements/warnings.

Out of 35,000+ total

2. Foster for Cash.
Since no one is willing to adopt anyone who is not blood or baby, the government needs to pay people to mind these children. These people are sometimes wonderful, but often the children have huge abandonment issues and are the products of other bad foster environments.
And that is in a good case, in the worse case they treat the children as a check that needs nothing more than bare maintenance.

3. Already Broken.
In many cases being rejected by their family their mother is when they break, the state didn't break them, their mother broke them through rejection. Their extended family broke them via rejection.
The state will never replace the bonds of family.

If you want a solution bring back the orphanage system.
Send em all to the military from age 16.
They can GI Bill.
Many of them need it.

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I'll just come out and say it.

Society is fricked.

Progressives tore up too many traditional values. It's not repairable.

Compile markers that signify high rates of criminality and child abuse/neglect and sterilized those individuals.

The alternative is this unfixable cycle of abuse and tragedy.

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That's the answer. That's the tough pill to swallow.

4cubby is talking about more social programs...

"Now he's alone with a 4-month-old infant, with no one to help. No family, no mentors, no parenting classes, no safety net."

And what happens when those fail? Is society yet again responsible? Do we have to get taxed even more to try and get these frick ups to stop fricking up?

You're not going to like the answer. Single dads with infants, likely the largest demographic for child neglect/abuse.

The answer is promoting stable, two parent, mother and father households, who wait until their shite is at least somewhat in order before they start having children.

Waaaaa! Heteronormativity and marriage and whatever other Western value that's problematic! I know, it's so horrible!

95% of societies problems come from 5% of the pop. Sterilize them. Or just realize instances like these will happen much more often when you stop letting frick ups fail.

"Classes" aren't going to work. If they did pick any metro blue shithole would have legions of scholars instead of force graduating 12th graders who can't even read at a middle school level.