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re: What does the US gain by encouraging Sweden and Finland to join NATO?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:42 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:42 am to Dawgfanman
quote:You are correct. A spear at the throat of our second-greatest geopolitical rival is utterly useless.
They don’t bring any meaningful ability to defend us to the table
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:42 am to Revelator
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What does the US gain by encouraging Sweden and Finland to join NATO?
Nothing except the possibility of dragging us into another conflict
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:43 am to Revelator
quote:Most of THEM pay US.
And where is the US coming up with the money to arm every ally in the world?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:44 am to Dawgfanman
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They don’t bring any meaningful ability to defend us to the table.
We never need to be defended. No nation can put troops in the CONUS.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:44 am to Gravitiger
quote:Please tell us about unpaid “dues.”
pay their full dues.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:44 am to Revelator
What did we gain in 2014 by orchestrating a coup Ukraine to put in a pro US/EU govt, and then late last year we basically say to Ukraine it is up to you if you want to join NATO, while Putin had 100,000 troops on the border?
We are doing the same thing here in my opinion. We are isolating Russia further by drawing all of Europe closer to the US and NATO. THis also will put these countries in a tight spot with Russia who is supplying them oil & gas & electricity in many cases.
Is it the US trying to get them to break off from dependence on Russia and look to the US? IDK.
I really do not see the benefit to the US except it forces us to defend pretty much all of Europe and probably gets defense industries more business and possibly oil, gas, and electricity more business.
We are doing the same thing here in my opinion. We are isolating Russia further by drawing all of Europe closer to the US and NATO. THis also will put these countries in a tight spot with Russia who is supplying them oil & gas & electricity in many cases.
Is it the US trying to get them to break off from dependence on Russia and look to the US? IDK.
I really do not see the benefit to the US except it forces us to defend pretty much all of Europe and probably gets defense industries more business and possibly oil, gas, and electricity more business.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:45 am to Revelator
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And where is the US coming up with the money to arm every ally in the world?
You understand that money paid “to NATO” is not actually paid to the other nations right?
The members fund their own militaries. The 2% requirement is a spending commitment, not “dues”.
In the case of Sweden and Finland, both already have substantial militaries and very capable domestic defense industries. They don’t need US money or weapons.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:45 am to Revelator
NATO is the military force for globalists. They will keep expanding across the world during globalization. It has nothing to do with Russia
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:46 am to ShakeandBake
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Poking the Bear so to speak
What bear? Russia?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:49 am to jp4lsu
The Nuland/Kagan/Kagan/Kristol/Frum/McFaul crew are completely nuts. I think the plan was to break Russia and China. I don't understand why Europe is committing economic suicide to go along with this. It's interesting that NBC was showing some China wargames the other day. I wonder if there is a pivot to China since the Russia plan doesn't seem to be working.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:54 am to Revelator
I don't know why we would need to encourage it. Isn't what Russia is doing to Ukraine encouragement enough?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:55 am to Revelator
The Fins didn't want this. They've had a neutrality agreement and positive relationship with Russia for decades. Putin got ahead of his skis and is paying the price.
Today the Finnish Parliament voted 188 for, 8 against and 4 abstained to join NATO. The Fins went from less than half supporting NATO membership to 76%.
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Finnish President Sauli Niinisto said on Wednesday Russian President Vladimir Putin should look in the mirror if Finland decides to join NATO to increase its own security
Today the Finnish Parliament voted 188 for, 8 against and 4 abstained to join NATO. The Fins went from less than half supporting NATO membership to 76%.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 8:57 am to AggieHank86
quote:Every country is required to spend 2% of GDP on defense. Only USA, Greece, and UK have consistently done it.
Please tell us about unpaid “dues.”
Finland is the only country that paid us back after WWII.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:01 am to Revelator
We gain more mouths to feed. Cause none of these Euro cucks pull their own weight.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:05 am to Indefatigable
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You understand that money paid “to NATO” is not actually paid to the other nations right?
I’m talking about the money the US spends in arming NATO nations when they are attacked
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:07 am to Revelator
So to be clear, you are talking about the collective $0.00 that the US has spent in such situations?
No NATO member has ever been attacked and evoked article 5*. WE are the only member to invoke the collective defense obligations.
* The UK didn’t ask for help in the Falklands and neither did Greece/Turkey during the spat over Cyprus.
No NATO member has ever been attacked and evoked article 5*. WE are the only member to invoke the collective defense obligations.
* The UK didn’t ask for help in the Falklands and neither did Greece/Turkey during the spat over Cyprus.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:07 am to Gravitiger
quote:I figured that was where you were going.
Please tell us about unpaid “dues.”quote:
Every country is required to spend 2% of GDP on defense. Only USA, Greece, and UK have consistently done it.
1. It is not “dues.” It is total military spending.
2. It is not mandatory or a part of the NATO treaty. It was a “goal.”
3. Finland and Sweden would be two of eight NATO countries that meet that goal.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:10 am to AggieHank86
That's also where I figured you were going. You're being hypertechnical (which I am also guilty of often), but I guarantee you'd be the first to bitch about other countries not pulling their weight.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:10 am to Revelator
They are seeking to join NATO because Putin is the top salesman for NATO. Both had over 60% of the public against joining NATO which because of Putin flipped.
This is nothing to do with the US urging them. In fact, Finland had has purchased a lot of military equipment from the USA beforehand.
Your premise is proven invalid
This is nothing to do with the US urging them. In fact, Finland had has purchased a lot of military equipment from the USA beforehand.
Your premise is proven invalid
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:11 am to AggieHank86
quote:Currently. Historically, only 1-2 have.
Finland and Sweden would be two of eight NATO countries that meet that goal.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 9:11 am
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