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re: What did Trump mean with these tweets?

Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:36 am to
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:36 am to
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You do realize a contingent of NPCs are trying to argue Cohen wasn't even repaid by Trump, right? I'm just trying to establish reality as a baseline.


He wrote “Legal” on the memo line of the check lol.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:40 am to

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What legal argument, exactly?



You are trying your best to lay it out. You are just getting nowhere because many of your claims are simply wrong or assumed but not clear.

Let's actually investigate your claim in the OP.

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Trump confirms:

1. Stormy Daniels was paid



Show me in those tweets where Trump said this. I really believe in your mind you think he did. But, he didn't. In fact, he alludes to something different that you didn't pick up on.

Be specific. Where did Trump confirm that Stormy was paid

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2. Michael Cohen was reimbursed for this payment (via "monthly retainer")



The premise of this is "this payment" which was not confirmed by Trump. Furthermore, reimbursed is certainly not confirmed. Trump confirms that he paid Cohen money. He definitely doesn't say he paid him to repay for Stormy. In fact, he literally says that it as a retainer payment.

YET SOMEHOW YOU frickING CONCLUDE THAT TRUMP CONFIRMED THAT HE REIMBURSED COHEN FOR THE STORMY PAYMENT.


I have no doubt that you really were convinced that Trump did that. That's your disease talking. It's your TDS combined with your narcissism.

Everything above is a failure of basic logic. False premise based on false premise.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:42 am to
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But, you were unmistakably scared of Omicron when it arrived and people laughed at you for it.

Wut

I celebrated the weaker strain

That version did more to fight covid than any vaccine or treatment

Do you have a post I made that said anything opposing that if omicron was has weak as it was supposed to be that it would be good?

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39418 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:47 am to
I get that you think this is a genuine debate.. a debate worth having. But you are not trying to debate, or pick through to the truth, or even engage with other posters. You are arguing for your own vanity.

The sad part is, you are arguing on behalf of:
A convicted, disbarred, perjurer
A retired porn star and stripper
Julie fricking Swetnick's convicted fraudster lawyer who is also now in jail.
A local Soros acolyte DA trying to make political hay with a case no one else on earth will touch.

You literally couldnt come up with a more impressive group of liars and criminals, yet you cant allow yourself to consider the possibility that they are just running another scam?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27449 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:52 am to
SFP, this is a shitshow all around. Who knows what to believe in any of this.

First Clifford says she was paid, gets Avenatti to go out and produce a stink, Michael Cohen lands in jail as a result albeit on charges tangential to the whole thing.

You have Trump saying yes it happened but my name was never in this. A DA saying that Trump was involved but then you have Avenatti and Clifford saying that what they alleged in 2018 did not happen that way....meanwhile Avenatti goes to jail for shaking down Nike but also apparently ripping off Clifford.

Then you have Cohen's lawyer producing a waiver and spills the beans on his former client. On top of this you have now a letter from Clifford (Daniels) saying no money changed hands and this was all Michael Cohen and Cohen did this without the knowledge of his client and without direction .

So what you have as a result currently is Trump's lawyer on jail and Cillford's (Daniels) lawyer in jail. A DA trying to resurrect a zombie dog of a case, Trump on a fundraising bonanza and a lot of people scratching their heads thinking WTF.

This is so byzantine that the Byzantines become thankful that the Turks came in and just ended it all.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:54 am to
They are all lying and changing stories so much that it doesnt mattter what's true. You can no longer prosecute a case.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:54 am to
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1. Stormy Daniels was paid

2. Michael Cohen was reimbursed for this payment (via "monthly retainer")

And? If campaign funds were not involved, what is the problem?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:55 am to
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I'm just trying to get people to accept reality before any substantive conversations can be had.


Good luck
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27449 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:04 am to
End result is that Trump raises funds from his supporters .
Posted by honeybadger07
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:09 am to
Uhhhh so what are you concerned about then slowmo?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:11 am to
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You are trying your best to lay it out.

No I'm not. DA Bragg is.

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Show me in those tweets where Trump said this.


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"Mr. Cohen...entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract...Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction."


I didn't say Trump directly paid her. Cohen did, and got an NDA. Trump says this.

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Furthermore, reimbursed is certainly not confirmed. Trump confirms that he paid Cohen money. He definitely doesn't say he paid him to repay for Stormy.

Then why bring up the retainer in reference to Cohen's payment to Stormy?

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I have no doubt that you really were convinced that Trump did that.

Ignoring the tweets, I think almost every rational person believes Trump repaid Cohen for giving $130k to Stormy.

In fact, other than TrumpTwitter, Truth Social, and this website, I've never seen any legitimate and sincere argument otherwise.

Rudy Giulliani even confirmed this
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:13 am to
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I get that you think this is a genuine debate.. a debate worth having. But you are not trying to debate, or pick through to the truth, or even engage with other posters. You are arguing for your own vanity.

Ad hom. Nice and rational.

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The sad part is, you are arguing on behalf of:
A convicted, disbarred, perjurer

I am not

quote:

A retired porn star and stripper

I am not

quote:

Julie fricking Swetnick's convicted fraudster lawyer who is also now in jail.

I am not

quote:

A local Soros acolyte DA trying to make political hay with a case no one else on earth will touch.

I am not

This is exactly the "living in reality" stuff this thread was meant to discuss.

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yet you cant allow yourself to consider the possibility that they are just running another scam?

Sure it's possible, but it doesn't really make any sense, given what we know and what has been stated.

It's possible Joe Biden reimbursed Cohen, too. Doesn't seem very likely, though.
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 9:14 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:15 am to
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SFP, this is a shitshow all around. Who knows what to believe in any of this.

I still believe that's the point entirely. That's why they went to such inefficiencies to facilitate the original transaction and repayment. That's also where the DA's shaky case is based.

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This is so byzantine that the Byzantines become thankful that the Turks came in and just ended it all.

You forgot to add Trump's lawyer saying the scheme happened, too, making it further complicated

I'm not arguing with you. I'm agreeing and saying that's the whole point.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:16 am to
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They are all lying and changing stories so much that it doesnt mattter what's true. You can no longer prosecute a case.

I mean if he tries to prosecute, it will be based in documentary evidence b/c testimonial evidence clearly is not credible on all sides.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:17 am to
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If campaign funds were not involved, what is the problem?




It's the business records law, theoretically.
Posted by 850SaintsGator
Pensacola
Member since Sep 2021
2236 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:17 am to
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And Trump didn't pay her. Cohen did. Trump paid Cohen. The "so what" is the whole flimsy basis for the NY prosecution.



Isn’t that what happened to John Edwards….paid hush money (not illegal) but used campaign funds (is illegal) ?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:17 am to
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End result is that Trump raises funds from his supporters .

Yes

And Bragg becomes a hero on the Left
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:20 am to
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Isn’t that what happened to John Edwards….paid hush money (not illegal) but used campaign funds (is illegal) ?

This part has been somewhat litigated and should not apply to Trump. All the statements/letters from 2018 were about this particular issue (campaign finance) and the feds did not prosecute.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26190 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:23 am to
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It's the business records law, theoretically.

I get that. And I am not attacking you.

I just want to know what the "there, there" is supposed to be. Presume the following to be true:
1. Cohen paid Daniels as consideration for her signing the NDA.

2. Trump Org. reimbursed Cohen for said consideration payment.

3. No actual campaign funds were used, either in Cohen's payment to Daniels, or in Trump Org.'s reimbursement payment.

What is it that would run afoul of the law? Business records or otherwise.

Is the argument that Cohen's payment, even if it didn't use actual campaign funds, constituted a campaign violation (since it was over the individual contribution limit) because it was paid to benefit Trump's candidacy? And then Trump Org's reimbursement was illegal because it was for "legal services"?
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 9:25 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
422311 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:27 am to
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I just want to know what the "there, there" is supposed to be. Presume the following to be true:
1. Cohen paid Daniels as consideration for her signing the NDA.

2. Trump Org. reimbursed Cohen for said consideration payment.

3. No campaign funds were used, either in Cohen's payment to Daniels, or in Trump Org.'s reimbursement payment.

What is it that would run afoul of the law? Business records or otherwise.

The reimbursement was $130k

The allegations are they hid this 1:1 by making payments in other amounts over multiple transactions. That would the theoretical violation of the business records law.

Or, in another way, assuming the above statement is true about the multiple payments in different amounts, if you looked at the books of the corporation, you couldn't accurately account for the $130k reimbursement. It would be hidden and, theoretically, fraud.

That's just for the misdemeanor, which is likely tolled.

To get the felony requires more work, but the fact that Cohen was already convicted for a campaign finance violation means they could argue that crime has been established with the conviction. If they made this argument, any campaign finance violation by Trump (which has all but been dismissed) wouldn't matter.
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