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re: Wash Post:Antimalarial drug touted by Trump is linked to increased risk of death in corona

Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:07 am to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:07 am to
quote:

The right's new motto, "let's get irregular heartbeats to own the libs"


Drug-induced prolonged QT is caused by the following drugs:

Antipsychotics

Chlorpromazine
Haloperidol
Droperidol
Quetiapine
Olanzapine
Amisulpride
Thioridazine

Type IA antiarrhythmics

Quinidine
Procainamide
Disopyramide

Type IC antiarrhythmics

Flecainide
Encainide

Class III antiarrhythmics

Sotalol
Amiodarone

Tricyclic antidepressants

Amitriptyline
Doxepin
Imipramine
Nortriptyline
Desipramine

Other antidepressants

Mianserin
Citalopram
Escitalopram
Venlafaxine
Bupropion
Moclobemide

Antihistamines

Diphenhydramine
Astemizole
Loratidine
Terfanadine

Other

Chloroquine
Hydroxychloroquine
Quinine
Macrolides: Erythromycin; Clarithromycin

Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
22264 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:08 am to
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A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients

This study is so flawed and politically motivated. Hospitalized patients are the mast severe cases, and of course are going to have a higher rate of death.

It’s like doing a study on patients that go on ventilators and concluding that patients on ventilators have a higher rate of death. Of course they do, because those are the ones with the most advanced issues.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:09 am to
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This study is so flawed and politically motivated. Hospitalized patients are the mast severe cases, and of course are going to have a higher rate of death.


Which is why the buried the quote about using it as Trump is using it 15 paragraphs or so down
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:09 am to
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It’s like doing a study on patients that go on ventilators and concluding that patients on ventilators have a higher rate of death.


This will always be the issue until a double-blinded study is done.

“Follow the science” Op is literally retarded.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89621 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:10 am to
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Also, you'll ignore it, but that "analysis" didn't control for initial condition.


Wait - you mean that just because A LOT of people die after undergoing dialysis compared folks who don't (but still have CKD), that doesn't mean that dialysis is inherently dangerous and should be avoided?

Umpossible!
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:10 am to
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Hydroxychloroquine is prescribed over 40K times a day.

And that’s just in the VA system
It’s used millions of times throughout the world


Let's be clear, this study is only about it's cost benefit analysis in those Hospitalized with Covid.

The FDA approved it for prevention of malaria, so it's safe for that use.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:11 am to
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The FDA approved it for prevention of malaria, so it's safe for that use.


You’re too dumb to know you just shot yourself in the foot.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:11 am to
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Let's be clear, this study is only about it's cost benefit analysis in those Hospitalized with Covid.
What does that mean oh wise one?
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10415 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:12 am to
Real question tigerindc09

How many times have you lost your car in the parking lot or forgot what street you live on
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74290 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:12 am to
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The evidence strong suggests so.


You are the biggest liar ever

Its actually embarrassing
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:12 am to
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This study is so flawed and politically motivated. Hospitalized patients are the mast severe cases, and of course are going to have a higher rate of death.


Right, so wouldn't an effective treatment decrease their rate of death, not increase it?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111617 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:13 am to
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Right, so wouldn't an effective treatment decrease their rate of death, not increase it?


Let me answer your question with a question. Why are double-blinded studies important?
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:13 am to
quote:


Wash Post:Antimalarial drug touted by Trump is linked to increased risk of death in corona
Real question tigerindc09

How many times have you lost your car in the parking lot or forgot what street you live on


Don't drive allot up here, just once a week to church and grocery store... pre-covid.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28843 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:13 am to
Yet Trump is still alive or maybe he isn't. Maybe Trump is really dead and is a Zombie. A Zombie President! That should really irk the Democrats that Republicans have the first Zombie President. A Republican Zombie President that devours the souls of Democrats. Well that doesn't work because they don't have souls. Brains doesn't work because they don't have brains. So, Trump is a undernourished Republican Zombie President that needs Hydroxychloroqine as a supplement due to a lousy diet of Democrats. He can't keep getting away with it!
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119031 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:14 am to
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So, you CAN take it in COMBINATION?


That is the way it is prescribed and the way HCQ is more effective.

Science of why it works.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17493 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:14 am to
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This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 7:25 am
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:15 am to
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Yet Trump is still alive or maybe he isn't.


Again ya'll fail to understand what increased risk means.

Plus, and I'll say this again, this increased risk refers to people with confirmed covid in a hospital so this doesn't even apply to Trump's situation.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:16 am to
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Why do you care so much? Or do you really care at all? Thank you, doctor.



Meh, I guess i'm the person who's actually pro-life.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:16 am to
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Meh, I guess i'm the person who's actually pro-life.


WaPo did what it always does. Its headline doesn't match its contents once you get to the shite they buried more than a dozen paragraphs down.

The drug is currently FDA approved. Doctors prescribe it. The end.

Also, you'll ignore it, but the "analysis" didn't control for initial condition.

The people in the analysis ON the drug STARTED OFF in worse shape than the people in the analysis that were NOT on the drug.

ALSO. Buried in the story are THESE quotes.

quote:

The new study’s findings cannot necessarily be extrapolated to people with mild illness at home or those, like Trump, who are taking the antimalarials as a prophylactic.



quote:

A large study of health-care workers that examines the use of hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure against covid-19 is in the works, but no results have been released.



quote:

Evidence of any benefit, such as viral clearance or improved symptoms, has been almost nonexistent.

This one is amusing because there's another way to write the phrase "almost non-existent". Do you need me to hold your hand?

quote:

Earlier this month, some proponents of hydroxychloroquine seized on a study out of New York University’s Langone Health center that threw zinc into the mix with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, and showed the treated group had a higher rate of survival. But researchers emphasized that it only showed that the combination had some promise


So, you CAN take it in COMBINATION?

quote:

Last week, the National Institutes of Health announced a clinical trial of 2,000 adults to determine if hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin could be used to treat coronavirus patients


quote:

Geoffrey Barnes, a cardiovascular specialist at the University of Michigan, said the study’s approach and its findings were “striking” in making the case that “the risk with these drugs is real.” However, he said that due to the enthusiasm some Americans have for the drug and the Lancet study’s findings, randomized trials are even more important.



Can I just point out that the very fact that various agencies are STILL doing trials indicates "THE EXPERTS" do NOT have a final answer on the subject despite what TigerMoronInDC seems to think?

OK. My boot is now so far up your arse, I'm somewhat concerned. And hell, I didn't even have to leave YOUR source to beat the shite out of your dumb asses
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124189 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 8:17 am to
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Right, so wouldn't an effective treatment decrease their rate of death, not increase it?
You understand the "study" (more correctly a retrospective, offsite review) demonstrated no such thing, right?
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