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re: War Room guest Steve Cortes says AI is beginning to negatively affect employment in US
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:59 pm to Narax
Posted on 6/27/25 at 2:59 pm to Narax
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We don't have it and we don't have a clear path to it.
Maybe Quantum AI.
AGI:
Learn any cognitive tasks that humans can
Transfer knowledge across domains
Generalize and learn from fewer examples (like we do)
Function without direct human control in unstructured environments
I think we can hit that, I'm not saying AI will ever be sentient or have emotions
That said, we don't have to even have AGI for there to be significant job displacement across many industries. which is the main thing
Personally I think we'll weather the storm, things will have to change but it's pretty exciting
Posted on 6/27/25 at 3:31 pm to Pecos Pedro
quote:Nope. The software developer tax could be eliminated in a single bill, without incurring trillions in new debt.
So then you support the OBBA that retroactively eliminates this?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 3:39 pm to BlueFalcon
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I think we can hit that, I'm not saying AI will ever be sentient or have emotions
I do think we will hit it, Microsoft and OpenAI are actively fighting over the definition of what it is and it's getting closer.
But AGI is going to be incredibly expensive.
Unless we can keep long term coherence for quantum chips.
That plus the math to generalize quantum computing could be a path to AGI.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 3:47 pm to BlueFalcon
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AGI:
Learn any cognitive tasks that humans can
Transfer knowledge across domains
Generalize and learn from fewer examples (like we do)
Function without direct human control in unstructured environments
I think we can hit that, I'm not saying AI will ever be sentient or have emotions
That said, we don't have to even have AGI for there to be significant job displacement across many industries. which is the main thing
Personally I think we'll weather the storm, things will have to change but it's pretty exciting
The real challenge will be an increasing number of people around the world with nothing to do. Take the typical warehouse/logistic center that had 500 employees 10 years ago, many have already dropped their headcount by 30-40% through automation and improved processes and they haven't even implemented the use of humanoid robots yet.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 3:50 pm to Bass Tiger
Of course they blame it only on AI. How about the hundreds of thousands of H-1B visas given out
Posted on 6/27/25 at 4:02 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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Computers did this years ago. The amount of manhours it would take to prepare a fortune 500 tax return 50 years ago is likely more than 100s to possibly 1,000s times it would take today. You can make an adjustment to a massive tax return with the click of a button which would take days to run through.
And computers opened up even more new jobs in return. New jobs will open up with AI too. AI is a tool, that's it.
We used to have a lot more farmers, blacksmiths, fletchers, seamstresses, stage coach operators, switchboard operators, etc. People will adapt, but some will always predict gloom 'n doom in the meantime. They are modern-day Luddites.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 4:22 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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And computers opened up even more new jobs in return. New jobs will open up with AI too. AI is a tool, that's it.
We used to have a lot more farmers, blacksmiths, fletchers, seamstresses, stage coach operators, switchboard operators, etc. People will adapt, but some will always predict gloom 'n doom in the meantime. They are modern-day Luddites.
What jobs do you see coming with the AI revolution?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 4:27 pm to Bass Tiger
I'm a 1 man tech team and it's done nothing but help me thus far.
It's easier for me to manage an AI and get what I need done than it is to manage another human. I've done it before, you need multiple employees before the effort of managing them makes it worth it. Also much much faster.
My productivity has increase a ton over the past few years. I'm doing the same things in a fraction of the time I was previously.
I do believe it's making me lazier and dumber though.
It's easier for me to manage an AI and get what I need done than it is to manage another human. I've done it before, you need multiple employees before the effort of managing them makes it worth it. Also much much faster.
My productivity has increase a ton over the past few years. I'm doing the same things in a fraction of the time I was previously.
I do believe it's making me lazier and dumber though.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 6/27/25 at 4:47 pm to Bass Tiger
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What jobs do you see coming with the AI revolution?
If people could see it, they wouldn't be so angsty. As in the past, whole new worlds will open up that either aren't or barely conceivable yet.
Someone else mentioned space exploration, mars or moon colonization and other possibilities.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 5:07 pm to Bass Tiger
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What jobs do you see coming with the AI revolution?
Independent video game developer.
AI can build skins skeleton frames.
Couple that with developer engines like Unity, way more small groups or individuals with a good idea can make their own games of shockingly good quality.
Home kitchen delivery.
If you have AI automated drone delivery you open the door to more home kitchen food delivery.
Etsy is doing a big job for home bakeries.
Uber for home cooked meals can be a thing.
In general we are going to need more mathematicians, biologists and physicists to figure out what problems to turn the AIs to.
The AIs fundamentally won't produce new breakthroughs, will still need people to instigate those.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 2:54 am to Bass Tiger
My question is..
Where is the money going to come from if you don’t have consumers. They have to have income in order to purchase. How is AI going to sustain itself if it takes over everything?
Where is the money going to come from if you don’t have consumers. They have to have income in order to purchase. How is AI going to sustain itself if it takes over everything?
Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:11 am to SallysHuman
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I disagree... there will still be jobs, maybe not the same jobs, but work will be available.
This is also a good incentive to reassess the "need" for foreign born workers- if the job market gets too tight, put American Citizens at the front of the line.
Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph.
This post was edited on 6/28/25 at 6:12 am
Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:37 am to Bass Tiger
Having read enough of this thread to ascertain that the next and greatest political issue will not be Freedom v Socialism but to what degree freedoms are limited and socialism expanded. The DEI narrative is well defined, across the social board melding the Middle and Lower Classes with Elites running the ‘Game’ and taking their cut off the top.
Of course assuming that the Poster’s “natural calamity’ that resets the technology clock doesn’t occur. Given that many will be unemployable- both viable and responsible individuals along with the psychologically impaired- the real issue then becomes how do we apply the high tech largesse of AI in a way to support the basic needs and services of a populace that has a lot of free time? How will we ‘manage’ (think control) and direct the minds of these masses in ways that are socially non destructive? Does AI have an answer that is palatable for the worldly and spiritual needs of humanity?
The above will be the driving force of the coming political debate,IMO. The fundamentals are a given.
Of course assuming that the Poster’s “natural calamity’ that resets the technology clock doesn’t occur. Given that many will be unemployable- both viable and responsible individuals along with the psychologically impaired- the real issue then becomes how do we apply the high tech largesse of AI in a way to support the basic needs and services of a populace that has a lot of free time? How will we ‘manage’ (think control) and direct the minds of these masses in ways that are socially non destructive? Does AI have an answer that is palatable for the worldly and spiritual needs of humanity?
The above will be the driving force of the coming political debate,IMO. The fundamentals are a given.
This post was edited on 6/28/25 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/28/25 at 7:04 am to Bass Tiger
Zager and Evans......listen to the warning
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:13 am to Amazing Moves
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My question is.. Where is the money going to come from if you don’t have consumers. They have to have income in order to purchase. How is AI going to sustain itself if it takes over everything?
Thought about that several times. Eventually, money will be pointless. It won’t be about money for the elites in the endgame. Wouldn’t surprise me if we switch over to some kind of credit point system entirely to continue getting services. Ever seen the movie, In Time? Kind of the same concept.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:28 am to Boomer65
Eventually, money will be pointless. “(Quote)
“And they shall cast their gold into the streets “. End time prophecy.
“And they shall cast their gold into the streets “. End time prophecy.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:29 am to Tiger985
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You're in denial.
The world is in a period of transition unlike anything ever experienced in human history. Something that will make the industrial revolution look like a non event.
Absent some sort of natural cataclysm that might ironically set back the technological clock, the human era is ending.
The darkest predictions are likely not dark enough.
This was probably said when cotton gin was invented
Probably said when steel was introduced.
Was probably said when the first automobile was put on a road
I KNOW it was said when the internet was coming into its own.
Calm down, Lee Harvey. Pretty sure the human race will be able to make it through this one. You clearly have a taste for the hyperbole.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:43 am to Taxing Authority
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Nope. The software developer tax could be eliminated in a single bill, without incurring trillions in new debt.
So if you incur 600K in development....before the changes you could expense the total 600K and reduce your income (on tax returns) by that amount.
Now it must be amortized over 5 years. So the first year you report 480K more in income? But the following 4 years your income is reduced by 120K for tax purposes?
Other than net present value of dollars, its a wash correct? You didnt lose 480K in reduction of income?
Back to the original, pre tax change. The first year you were able to "write off" the entire 600K, but the following years you would have greatly increased recorded income?
Posted on 6/28/25 at 10:01 am to tigersbh
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I disagree... there will still be jobs, maybe not the same jobs, but work will be available.
This is also a good incentive to reassess the "need" for foreign born workers- if the job market gets too tight, put American Citizens at the front of the line.
Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph.
I don't intend for it to... I think the actual number of jobs is different from what labor pool they are filled.
My contention is two-fold- the assertion there WILL be jobs, AND should the market get tight, we put Citizens first in employment.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 11:25 am to SallysHuman
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My contention is two-fold- the assertion there WILL be jobs, AND should the market get tight, we put Citizens first in employment.
So you don't think that AI and automation will lead to a lot more unemployment that the general public will accept?
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