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re: Voters 18-30
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:42 am to JiminyCricket
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:42 am to JiminyCricket
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Net worth (wealth) isn't the same thing as buying power.
It’s a data point, though. And together with other data points about standards of living, it simply doesn’t paint the picture Scott Galloway, who just called for the execution of Elon Musk, has sold young people of a shitty economic life.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:42 am to wackatimesthree
You raise some very valid points, and I agree with much of that. Comparing housing costs in 1980 with today requires looking at mortgage rates, income and what you're buying—not just sticker prices.
Where we might disagree is the conclusion that today's housing affordability problem is largely a myth or a matter of expectations.
The Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies identifies high home prices and interest rates as an affordability problem that has pushed homebuying to its lowest level since the mid-1990s.
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Healthcare is an even clearer example. I'm not saying everything is harder or more expensive for this generation. It isn't. My point is that major necessities, especially housing and healthcare, can take a much larger share of household income. Cheaper TVs, clothes or brokerage commissions don't necessarily make up for the difference.
I think younger people have some real affordability challenges that I didn’t have. Maybe you did or didn’t as well.
Where we might disagree is the conclusion that today's housing affordability problem is largely a myth or a matter of expectations.
The Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies identifies high home prices and interest rates as an affordability problem that has pushed homebuying to its lowest level since the mid-1990s.
LINK
Healthcare is an even clearer example. I'm not saying everything is harder or more expensive for this generation. It isn't. My point is that major necessities, especially housing and healthcare, can take a much larger share of household income. Cheaper TVs, clothes or brokerage commissions don't necessarily make up for the difference.
I think younger people have some real affordability challenges that I didn’t have. Maybe you did or didn’t as well.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:43 am to David_DJS
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It’s a data point, though. And together with other data points about standards of living, it simply doesn’t paint the picture Scott Galloway, who just called for the execution of Elon Musk, has sold young people of a shitty economic life.
Sure, it's a data point but let me ask it this way. Do you think there's enough of an economic/affordability issue to make democrat messaging seem plausible to young voters?
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:46 am to the808bass
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They can be tired of it all they want. Things are not nearly as bad as they perceive it to be.
My left-leaning, 25-year-old son just went to Amsterdam and Belgium, and he came back, saying, thank God for the USA and he was glad to be home. Athough he enjoyed his time, it was nothing that he wanted to live in permanently, He said the same thing after 16 days in Italy last year....all this on his own dime, grant you, not mine.
If these little dumb fricks could just travel outside the country for a little while and realize that what they're trying to usher in here, that's already been ushered in there, isn't any fun and nothing you want to do long-term. Maybe then they would quit complain, whining bitching and voting for Marxists.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:46 am to JiminyCricket
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Sure, it's a data point but let me ask it this way. Do you think there's enough of an economic/affordability issue to make democrat messaging seem plausible to young voters?
I wouldn’t describe it as “plausible to young voters” - I’d go with “plausible or even likely for ignorant voters” because it ain’t just young people that think they have it hard while living a very good life.
Reality is life has never been better than it is today - and that’s for America’s rich, its middle class and its underclass
That’s not suggesting it’s always easy and there’s never big challenges, but those things aren’t new.
This post was edited on 11/4/26 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:48 am to Antonio Moss
Biggest demographic swing was the fraudulent ballots
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:48 am to Nole Man
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I think younger people have some real affordability challenges that I didn’t have. Maybe you did or didn’t as well.
Yes. But we had challenges they don’t have. Net net, we’re all doing well.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:49 am to the808bass
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frick no. Expand trade schools.
I'm all in expanding trade schools - just not sure that falls into higher education.
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Jucos are glorified high schools with worse instruction. Handing out worthless certificates doesn’t advance the economy.
Jucos and Community College cut the cost of a college degree in almost half.
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Hospitals costs aren’t a part of young people’s costs.
Hospital costs are directly tied to the cost of health insurance.
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Having said that, you’ve got some good ideas on housing.
I know.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:49 am to JiminyCricket
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Okay.
Nobody likes this. because I don't have a simple solution for it doesn't mean I'm o.k. with it.
But emoting like a shrill, irrational woman doesn't help.
The young (and older) electorate have been sold an untrue narrative. I'm not saying that candidates running for office need to try to tell them the truth...they'd never believe it. You guys won't believe it even when the evidence is presented to you, why would they?
But one, just because Iyan or Huntyr down at Starbucks won't believe it doesn't mean that I'm not going to push back on the narrative here.
And two, you can cry about the "messaging," but I'm not aware of anybody in the party trying to tell anybody the truth about this publicly. If you link me to something I'll stand corrected, but I'm not aware of that.
Last, your suggestion of blaming it on Democrats when Republicans have had all branches of government for two years is clearly a non-starter.
So you can accuse me of "liking the status quo" all you want, I'm just not aware of any easy, quick solution. I don't know that there is a long term solution other than to wait until the Democrats step on their dicks again by becoming far too radical.
I've been telling people since 2024 that Trump didn't win. Harris lost. There's a big difference.
Conservatism (not that Trump is a conservative, but he's far more conservative than she is) requires a degree of maturity. Delaying gratification, taking personal responsibility for your life, etc.
That's never going to be popular with young people. I don't care what your "messaging" is. Republicans (assuming they retain any semblance of conservatism) are never going to be the fun uncle who doesn't make you go to bed on time and gives you candy instead of making you eat broccoli.
And society continues to regress in maturity and the capacity for personal responsibility.
So yeah, the country will probably continue to move in that direction, led by 27 year olds who are probably about as emotionally mature as people ten years younger 4 or 5 decades ago. That's what's happened in pretty much the rest of the western world, and it will probably happen here.
I don't know what to do about it and neither do you. Blaming the Democrats when Republicans have been in charge certainly ain't going to work, though.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:50 am to Antonio Moss
The major issue has to be building more homes and building more types of homes. You need urban infill in lots of places. The other issue is trying to rebuild some of the interior of the US so that there aren't 10 cities on the coast that are the best place for young people to get job opportunities.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:51 am to McLemore
I don’t understand the dv on your post, that is a pretty good analogy.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:52 am to crazy4lsu
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The major issue has to be building more homes and building more types of homes. You need urban infill in lots of places. The other issue is trying to rebuild some of the interior of the US so that there aren't 10 cities on the coast that are the best place for young people to get job opportunities.
Yeah. I mean, this is true.
"Let's all pull together and get this done!"
"Ok but why?"
what's the answer to that?
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:54 am to Antonio Moss
I'm shocked the 50-year mortgage idea didn't help.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:55 am to JiminyCricket
Selling BS to morons is easy for anyone to do. Enjoy your newfound prosperity I'm sure you expect to be forthcoming.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:57 am to David_DJS
18-30 years old buy a Latte in the morning and a Frappechino in the afternoon, $18 a day 365 days a year $5840 a year, and they whine about a.ffordibility……
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:59 am to David_DJS
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Dems have convinced your generation that you’re poor, your prospects are shite, and it’s boomers fault because they stole your prosperity.
Facts say that younger generations are wealthier than boomers were at their age - using constant dollars.
And now run the numbers when you account for the cost of housing, medical coverage, and education. The average adult under 35's disposable income has remained flat for over twenty years despite robust overall economic growth.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 9:59 am to Antonio Moss
I’m surprised to see the board in general agreement on this. The GOP was for a couple mins a younger party with America First being the guiding principle, and Trump threw that out with Iran and a bunch of self serving BS. Keep in mind those younger voters eventually form an identity and stick to a party, so we may have lost many for good
As a voter under 35 myself, I’m lucky to be on the way above average side of my cohort, but I see that many of them are struggling. Young families with parents with two “good jobs” barely able to afford a starter home in their early to mid 30s. Corporate org charts are fat and bloated from too many boomers still working and taking good jobs, now companies are trimming fat, so there’s few to no advancement opportunities for the young millennials and Gen Z’s who are actually holding down jobs and doing their best in this market. I had big hopes that America First would expand the economy and grow job prospects so wages would increase faster than inflation, but a stupid war that’s dragged on way too long threw a wrench in that
As a voter under 35 myself, I’m lucky to be on the way above average side of my cohort, but I see that many of them are struggling. Young families with parents with two “good jobs” barely able to afford a starter home in their early to mid 30s. Corporate org charts are fat and bloated from too many boomers still working and taking good jobs, now companies are trimming fat, so there’s few to no advancement opportunities for the young millennials and Gen Z’s who are actually holding down jobs and doing their best in this market. I had big hopes that America First would expand the economy and grow job prospects so wages would increase faster than inflation, but a stupid war that’s dragged on way too long threw a wrench in that
Posted on 11/4/26 at 10:01 am to Veritas
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The singular reason a lot of things are more expensive is because of the Iran War.
I've consistently stated that the Iran War was a colossal mistake by Trump. That said, this statement is false.
Posted on 11/4/26 at 10:04 am to Upperdecker
The average 30-34 year old has a net worth including home equity of $63,826. That’s average, meaning that some big fish at the top 2% raise the number a lot vs the median. Those people are barely above water, a good stock market doesn’t mean shite for them right now unfortunately
Posted on 11/4/26 at 10:04 am to BigGreenTiger
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my parents all in cost for their house in 1994 was 650k. sold in 2015 for 1.8MM.
Yeah. That’s not representative of the housing market at large. A $650k 1994 home was/is a literal mansion (or is located in a top 10 metro). But you knew that when you posted it.
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