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re: USA Today Scrubs Passage Suggesting Vaccinated Individuals May Spread COVID... Higher Lvl
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:42 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:42 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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if the vaccine has a negative effective transmission rate when added into the equation, I don't think for practical purposes the title is misleading.
No, it doesn't "spread" but it could assist the spread,
Haven't seen any studies done that suggest the vaccine may actually make you more likely to spread covid vs not having the vaccine at all. That would be pretty remarkable.
And because you keep asking what effectiveness means, here:
quote:https://time.com/5945177/covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/
To start, there’s a difference between efficacy and effectiveness. “Efficacy” refers to the results for how well a drug or vaccine works based on testing, while “effectiveness” refers to how well these products work in the real world, in a much larger group of people. Most people, however, use them interchangeably.
Next, it’s important to understand what these companies were actually measuring to come up with their efficacy numbers. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, the researchers were measuring how well their vaccines protected against symptoms of COVID-19. So their vaccine efficacy numbers refer to how well they lowered people’s chance of getting sick with COVID-19. Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine is 95% efficacious, meaning that for vaccinated people, it was 95% efficacious in protecting people from getting COVID-19 symptoms. It does not mean that 95% of people vaccinated won’t get COVID-19 and 5% will.
Similarly, Moderna’s vaccine is 94% efficacious, so it was 94% efficacious in protecting people from COVID-19, and Johnson and Johnson’s vaccine is 66% efficacious in doing the same.
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:42 am to LaLadyinTx
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So y'all just go head on being unvaccinated. Just don't call on those who are vaccinated to take care of you when you end up in the hospital!
So who does those that have been vaccinated call upon to take care of them when in the hospital?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:45 am to LaLadyinTx
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Just don't call on those who are vaccinated to take care of you when you end up in the hospital!
That's not really how that works.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:46 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Haven't seen any studies done that suggest the vaccine may actually make you more likely to spread covid vs not having the vaccine at all. That would be pretty remarkable.
And because you keep asking what effectiveness means, here:
Yeah, but you have people with nature immunity protections, again they are going to have to come up either a way or methodology to come up with this.
In India 2/3rd of the people being tested have antibodies, but here is the thing antibodies identification gets harder... and those people can still have natural immunity protections.
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And because you keep asking what effectiveness means, here:
It doesn't mean anything, as I could have a vaccine that simple contains H2O and it would show its effective. Why because the majority of the population or vastly more have natural immunity protections.
What is effective? When the majority of people or more won't be showing symptoms because they already had it?
Also, the definition you are using... transmission could increase greatly.... the effective rate of symptoms could be high. Not exactly a winner in my book. Basically, the vaccinated are the spreaders... negative effective in transmission.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:48 am to Vacherie Saint
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We went from "95% effective, permanent, and robust against variants" to "better than nothing, need a booster, and you can still spread tf out of Delta".
But remember, you must be retarded if you don't believe every word the people who have no liability in the matter say.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:51 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Haven't seen any studies done that suggest the vaccine may actually make you more likely to spread covid vs not having the vaccine at all. That would be pretty remarkable.
Well, if Delta breaks through and causes people to be symptomatic, and they are strutting around thinking they are invincible, they are certainly spreading the virus. There's a reason the CDC is reversing course on vaxed masking.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:53 am to Mickey Goldmill
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some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,”
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:53 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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It doesn't mean anything, as I could have a vaccine that simple contains H2O and it would show its effective. Why because the majority of the population or vastly more have natural immunity protections.
What is effective? When the majority of people or more won't be showing symptoms because they already had it?
The numbers they originally came up with were in their clinical trials. Not basing it off the population at large.
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Also, the definition you are using... transmission could increase greatly.... the effective rate of symptoms could be high. Not exactly a winner in my book. Basically, the vaccinated are the spreaders... negative effective in transmission.
WTH?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:54 am to Vacherie Saint
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Well, if Delta breaks through and causes people to be symptomatic, and they are strutting around thinking they are invincible, they are certainly spreading the virus. There's a reason the CDC is reversing course on vaxed masking.
Now that is actually a fair point.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:57 am to Mickey Goldmill
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The numbers they originally came up with were in their clinical trials. Not basing it off the population at large.
Trials have nothing to do with anything, the vaccine is out in the wild. You now have potentially the majority of people with natural immunity and additional strains.
Trials don't mean anything once you put it into the real world.
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WTH?
If you can't figure it out I don't know what to tell you. The vaccine could be a booster for the fricking virus, that's not a fact but it is something that could be going on.
Jesus you're dumb.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:00 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
This is what amuses me about the pro-vax contingent. They speak so authoritatively but the fact of the matter is they don’t KNOW anymore than anyone else at this point.
These shots were emergency authorized, still not yet approved. Everyone willing is participating in a gigantic trial.
There is a lack of definitive knowledge because there has simply not been enough time passed (especially longer-term) to have definitive knowledge.
There are certainly those who possess faith in this but there are many who yet do not.
The pro-vax crowd would be served well to cool their heels and refrain from speaking down to those not yet buying what’s being sold.
As with most things of this nature, only time itself is going to reveal the true facts. That’s the biggest reason the facts and goalposts always appear to be on the move at this point.
No-one knows for sure yet. No-one.
These shots were emergency authorized, still not yet approved. Everyone willing is participating in a gigantic trial.
There is a lack of definitive knowledge because there has simply not been enough time passed (especially longer-term) to have definitive knowledge.
There are certainly those who possess faith in this but there are many who yet do not.
The pro-vax crowd would be served well to cool their heels and refrain from speaking down to those not yet buying what’s being sold.
As with most things of this nature, only time itself is going to reveal the true facts. That’s the biggest reason the facts and goalposts always appear to be on the move at this point.
No-one knows for sure yet. No-one.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:02 am to Mickey Goldmill
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level of protection the vaccine provides is lower than previously expected.
And that's why my wide covering natural immunity is so much better than your narrow vaccine.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:02 am to Great Plains Drifter
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his is what amuses me about the pro-vax contingent. They speak so authoritatively but the fact of the matter is they don’t KNOW anymore than anyone else at this point.
Exactly. Nobody knows, the new science.
The problem is they throw stuff around as facts when in fact they don't even have the data to support a theory. The only thing I have suggested, is it possible that the vaccine has negative effective traits. Which is what I believe the CDC is implying might be a possibility.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:14 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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If you can't figure it out I don't know what to tell you. The vaccine could be a booster for the fricking virus, that's not a fact but it is something that could be going on.
Jesus you're dumb.
Can you explain why you think the vaccine could be a "booster for the fricking virus?" Has there been a study done? Is there data from a country leading you to believe that?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:17 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
call from CDC / White House?
Not just social media that gets scrubbed on request?
Not just social media that gets scrubbed on request?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:18 am to Lg
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And that's why my wide covering natural immunity is so much better than your narrow vaccine.
quote:https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/06/22/how-immunity-generated-from-covid-19-vaccines-differs-from-an-infection/
Now, a new NIH-supported study shows that the answer to this question will vary based on how an individual’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were generated: over the course of a naturally acquired infection or from a COVID-19 vaccine. The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.
These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:23 am to Powerman
The bigger point is that symptomatic people spread the virus, vaxxed or unvaxxed. If have have symptoms and you are vaccinated then you need to stay away from people.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:24 am to Mickey Goldmill
There are studies popping up that shows much more breakthroughs from vaxxed people then natural immunity folks. Just saying.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
It isnt.
But defend this logic.
In May, the CDC lifted mask recommendations for the vaccinated. The unvaccinated must carry-on wearing masks. The experts all agreed!
By mid-July, the US reached the administration's goal of 160 million Americans vaccinated, a move that would...
Mind you, the unvaccinated are STILL required to mask in most states. By late July, cases are spiking in spite of all this. Who is being blamed? The unvaccinated! The solution? MOAR masks! WTF!?
So either masks work and the vaccinated are spreading Delta, or the masks don't work and the unvaccinated are spreading delta.
And you wonder why folks dont want to take a mystery needle for this administration? Same reason Cuomo, Kamala, and old Joe didnt want to take one for Trump.
But defend this logic.
In May, the CDC lifted mask recommendations for the vaccinated. The unvaccinated must carry-on wearing masks. The experts all agreed!
By mid-July, the US reached the administration's goal of 160 million Americans vaccinated, a move that would...
quote:NPR
improve the level of immunity in the country to the point where the coronavirus has less of an opportunity to spread and so that more public health restrictions can be lifted
Mind you, the unvaccinated are STILL required to mask in most states. By late July, cases are spiking in spite of all this. Who is being blamed? The unvaccinated! The solution? MOAR masks! WTF!?
So either masks work and the vaccinated are spreading Delta, or the masks don't work and the unvaccinated are spreading delta.
And you wonder why folks dont want to take a mystery needle for this administration? Same reason Cuomo, Kamala, and old Joe didnt want to take one for Trump.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:31 am to Mickey Goldmill
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NIH-supported study
Do you really NOT see the problem here?
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