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re: U.S. Federal District Judge: Bans ICE from arresting illegals.

Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:37 pm to
Do you have to have a warrant now to arrest someone for a murder or robbery?
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27396 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:39 pm to
The judiciary is absolutely out of control.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13505 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

This is what I'm talking about. The other was introduced by someone else as a remedy to my question - which didn't make sense to me.

Do we trust the federal government with just "reasonable suspicion"? "Well, he looked like a Mexican..."


I'm on your side here for numerous reasons, but I wanted to answer your question with facts and not opinion.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3784 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

just because that guy is a mile from the border and wearing a shirt with a Mexico flag and has a knapsack and can't speak English!

Something tells me it's a bit broader of a sweep than that.

We all know who we want the government to pick up, but now, all of a sudden, we have 100% confidence in the government to do the job correctly?

It just seems like there will be plenty of blowback from people citizens swept up if they apply their criteria too loosely.

We all think the government is incompetent, right up until they propose to do something we agree with.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35982 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:00 pm to
Just imagine if Congress would do the same.
Posted by Rondo Joe
Member since Apr 2025
34 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:03 pm to
He does not have the authority to say that federal law cannot be enforced.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3784 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

I wanted to answer your question with facts and not opinion.

I appreciate that, thanks.
Posted by SoWhat
Member since May 2013
623 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:05 pm to
So the left's immigration policy is completely open borders, that's what the Trump Admin should be hammering every day.
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
8922 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:06 pm to
Disregard and carry on. !!
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3784 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Do you have to have a warrant now to arrest someone for a murder or robbery?

I'm pretty sure, unless the arresting officer is a witness to the crime.

An arrest warrant is a legal document issued by a criminal court which enables police officers to arrest and hold a criminal suspect. This article will explain how a case begins with a criminal complaint, is followed by the issuance and execution of an arrest warrant and also covers matters concerning false arrests.

Arrest Warrants Protect Constitutional Rights and Liberties
The criminal justice system in the US has certain constitutional protections for the freedom of its citizens. One of those protections guarantees that civilians cannot be arrested without reasonable or "just cause." Police officers are required to obtain an arrest warrant, usually issued by a criminal court judge, before they are able to arrest a suspect in accordance with the Fourth Amendment to the US constitution. State constitutions will generally have a similar requirement.

Other than special circumstances, police officers will typically need an arrest warrant before they can arrest a criminal suspect. In public places, police officer may arrest a person if there are reasonable grounds for arrest, such as being caught in the process of committing a robbery. However, the police may not arrest a person in a private place (such as one's home) without an arrest warrant unless special circumstances exist.

The arrest warrant must be obtained from and issued by a criminal court, usually after an indictment or criminal complaint. The criminal court will require the police officers to provide evidence of "probable cause" that a crime took place and that the person to be arrested is suspected of committing the crime. The term "probable cause" means that the facts and circumstances surrounding the crime would lead a reasonable person to believe that the crime was committed by the suspect.


LINK

While it looks like it only applies the 4th to citizens, you have to somehow make that determination before the arrest.

"Where was the man when he jumped off the bridge?"
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3784 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

He does not have the authority to say that federal law cannot be enforced.

Of course he does if the enforcement is unconstitutional.

I remember back before Reagan declared the War on Drugs, we used to have 4th amendment protections. Not so much any more. As a matter of fact, your average person on the street doesn't even know what 4th amendment protections would look like.
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
11689 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Isn't being here illegally all the warrant needed?


No it's not, and that's why due process exists. It needs to be proven they're here illegally in a court of law.
Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
Member since Dec 2014
2568 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:20 pm to
Sweet melt
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6164 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:20 pm to
They arrest citizens in this country without a warrant.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4929 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:28 pm to
Isn't that literally the basic definition of ICE's job? That's like telling a judge he can't make rulings.
Posted by Bonkers119
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
11689 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

ICE isn't just stopping random folks if they are citizens.


lmao, they're literally doing this every single day.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86079 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

We all think the government is incompetent, right up until they propose to do something we agree with.


In a vacuum I agree with you on all of this. In fact, the above is why I've consistently opposed the death penalty (in addition to my belief that delayed justice is no justice).

But I also think it's reasonable to question the motives of those who sit on their hands when our government and institutions give away the whole game and do harm to our families yet suddenly object to any effort to combat an almost insurmountable problem.

There may be some true believers who think millions of illegal immigrants need to be deported and we're just nonetheless obligated to navigate our mind numbing bureaucratic apparatus to do so at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars and years and years.

But I think most people saying these things are just using them as a shield against any effort to right the wrongs of recent years. What happened to this country is criminal - nay, treasonous. And there has been/will be no accountability.

Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24151 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:55 pm to
Next time i get pulled over for going 65 in a 55 I'm gonna ask to see the warrant.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18503 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:59 pm to
Probable Cause disagrees.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14840 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

No it's not, and that's why due process exists. It needs to be proven they're here illegally in a court of law.


You fer real? That doesn't sound right at all.
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