re: US authorities arrest Palestinian student protester at Columbia University

It's about the land. they want control of all of "Palestine".

If the Jews in Israel moved to Egypt or Jordan, do you think the Palestinians would follow the Jews into those countries to slaughter them?

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On what charges?

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You have no clue that a student Visa can be revoked at the pleasure of the State Dept? What type of lawyer are you?

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Agents from US President Donald Trump's administration

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WTH..Are these liberal journalist trying to insinuate?

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Why do people think that the Jewish people living in their area is only decades old? There is written history that they have been there for thousands of years.

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Friend, I really appreciate you taking the time to engage in this conversation.

Conversation, not name calling, or media narratives, but only civil conversation is the slow answer to this and many other human conflicts.

So back to it...

How far back would you like to go?

My small brain only goes back to 1890. And I'm open to your historical views. In 1890, there were Jews in Europe, America, Africa, and I'm sure many other places. Were they in "Israel"? Not that I know of, but please do tell if I'm wrong. They hadn't been there in a the last 2400 years or so.

But they decided to make "their own country". No regards for who might be there already. And they soon found out, there were folks there already. And they readily admitted (and wrote), that taking this land would come with much bloodshed. And they were right.

These folks and their supporters are called Zionist. It's a very interesting century. Some may similar to our 1800's.

Oddly enough, I don't give two shits if they want to fight women and children for land. It's been going on since we could stab each other with a stick.

But how about leaving the good ole USA out of it? The rest of world isn't for it. And I'm not about making enemies just for the sake of it.

How about quit buying our politicians off just to rob the American taxpayer (me!) of my tax dollars to fight your war for land. We need our tax dollars to fix our bridges and to pay for our healthcare (just like Israel does for it's citizens), and protect our own damn borders, and help our veterans, and help our mentally ill folks, and America First stuff.

It's time for Americans to look past foxnews and cnn (and the billionaire jewish folks ala Miriam Adelson, who gave DJT $100m) and argue for America First. Not Israel Expansionist First. (aka Zionist)

And it's okay to be Christian and not be Israel first. Just cause Bibi says he's Jewish, doesn't mean he is.

Again, I appreciate the conversation.

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My small brain only goes back to 1890. And I'm open to your historical views. In 1890, there were Jews in Europe, America, Africa, and I'm sure many other places. Were they in "Israel"? Not that I know of, but please do tell if I'm wrong.

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You are mistaken. During the Ottoman period, Jews constituted about 5% of the population of the Levant ... including modern Israel.

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They hadn't been there in a the last 2400 years or so.

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Again, you are mistaken. The Jewish diaspora did NOT start 2400 years ago, but about 1900 years ago after the destruction of the Second Temple in the first century AD.

Jews began moving "back" to the Levant in more-significant numbers after WW1, during the British Mandate period. Still more "returned" to the area after WW2.

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Just cause Bibi says he's Jewish, doesn't mean he is.

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With all due respect, SAY WHAT? Are you contending that Netanyahu is not Jewish? The following is a picture of Bibi as a young IDF soldier. He "bears" a striking resemblance to Donny Donowitz, IMO.

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After a few generations of ruling Palestine exclusively, without the ethnic cleansing and apartheid, I think it's likely.

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well if the Israelis only have to wait it out 50 or so yrs to see if the hatred goes away and maybe safe. If they would just move away.

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Now, you appear to believe that this "for cause" requirement does not exist. Can you cite any authority for this proposition? Or is it just MAGA "truthiness?"

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Because my best friend is here on a Green Card and married to an American. He has explained to me that Green Cards can be revoked at the pleasure of the State Dept and that any person dumb enough to play with fire needs to get sent packing. If an MD can understand this with 5 American children you would think that a student at Columbia would not be so brazen to support Hamas. Then again he is Venezuelan and hates anything progressive.

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But my understanding is that there are rules applicable to the revocation of both visas and "green cards." That neither can be revoked without cause. Very generally, it is my understanding that they can be revoked primarily for fraud, criminal activity, or failure to maintain residency requirements.

Which is why I asked the nature of the criminal charges against Khalil

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Criminal charges don't have to exist. It can also fall under the "suspicious behavior" criteria by merely having a reasonable basis of believing a student is engaging in unlawful activity. INA Sec. 212(a)(3)(A). INA Sec 237(a)(4)(B) also allows deporting for terrorist activity but that is defined very broadly to including providing material support. Under Kleindienst v Mandel, SCOTUS has granted broad executive authority over visa decisions.

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Criminal charges don't have to exist. It can also fall under the "suspicious behavior" criteria by merely having a reasonable basis of believing a student is engaging in unlawful activity. INA Sec. 212(a)(3)(A). INA Sec 237(a)(4)(B) also allows deporting for terrorist activity but that is defined very broadly to including providing material support. Under Kleindienst v Mandel, SCOTUS has granted broad executive authority over visa decisions.

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Thanks.

All of that must be litigated before revocation can be effected, probably before an administrative judge, right?

In other words, there must be a judicial determination of "good cause" for revocation? Some administration official cannot just point randomly at a foreigner and say "you're deported," right?