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re: US authorities arrest Palestinian student protester at Columbia University
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:39 am to Grassy1
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:39 am to Grassy1
quote:
When did Israel give up territory?
For peace?
Off the top of my head, 1994 and 2005. There could be more incidences, I just don't feel like looking them up right this minute.
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Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
If the Jews in Israel moved to Egypt or Jordan, do you think the Palestinians would follow the Jews into those countries to slaughter them?
100%
Why would you not think that?
Now reverse the question. If the "Palestinians" went to Egypt or Jordan, do you think the Israelis would follow them to complete their "genocide?"
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:49 am to wackatimesthree
quote:1979/1982 jump to mind. Israel surrendered the entire Sinai to Egypt and has been at peace with them for more than 40 years.
When did Israel give up territory? For peace?quote:
Off the top of my head, 1994 and 2005. There could be more incidences, I just don't feel like looking them up right this minute.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:51 am to wackatimesthree
quote:If Palestinians continued to attack Israel from either country, I have no trouble seeing Israel taking out the culprits. But that is hardly a genocide.
Now reverse the question. If the "Palestinians" went to Egypt or Jordan, do you think the Israelis would follow them to complete their "genocide?"
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:52 am to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
Get lost again, douchebag.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:55 am to AggieHank86
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On what charges?
Hank….even a Google search could have helped you. You think the Trump admin is just jailing people for opposing him? Good Lord. That was the last admin. Dummy.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:57 am to BBONDS25
quote:At least a half dozen posters are looking for this information. As of last evening, google had not helped any of us find it, Barry.
Hank….even a Google search could have helped you.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:11 am to AggieHank86
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At least a half dozen posters are looking for this information. As of last evening, google had not helped any of us find it, Barry.
You could have googled his name. Good Lord. He was on a student Visa but graduated in December. Why are you so intentionally obtuse? Infuriating.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:15 am to BBONDS25
quote:Barry, everyone KNOWS that he was formerly on a student visa and now has permanent resident status under a green card.
US authorities arrest Palestinian student protester (Mahmoud Khalil) at Columbia University ....quote:You could have googled his name. Good Lord. He was on a student Visa but graduated in December. Why are you so intentionally obtuse? Infuriating.
On what charges?
What we are ASKING is some recitation of the EXACT nature of the "transgressions" which form the basis for revocation of his legal status.
What we SEE is a lot of vague nonsense about his involvement in the Columbia protests, but no clear statement as to what specific acts or omissions would justify the administration’s actions vis-a-vis Khalil individually.
This is not rocket surgery, and (to be candid) your response was ... infuriating ... because you are smarter than that.
Your post reeks of the desire to gain the acceptance of the hoi polloi.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:28 am to AggieHank86
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On what charges?
When Khalil directs the physical harassment of Jewish students he should be stopped from doing that by the authorities. Don't you agree?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:31 am to geoag58
quote:yes, if he did so.quote:When Khalil directs the physical harassment of Jewish students he should be stopped from doing that by the authorities. Don't you agree?
On what charges?
but, despite multiple searches, I can find no evidence of him having done any such thing OR any assertion by the government that such actions form the basis for their detention of the man
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:38 am to AggieHank86
Then you should wait for the evidence to come out.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:47 am to LSUbest
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Demonstrators plan to take over Federal Plaza in New York City on Monday to demand the release of Mahmoud Khalil, a Palestinian activist and Columbia University graduate arrested by federal immigration agents.
Khalil, who helped organize the school's pro-Palestinian protests, was hauled away from his university-owned apartment Saturday night by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents after he was told his student visa was being revoked, his attorney said in a statement to NBC News. Attorney Amy Greer added that ICE was informed that Khalil is a permanent resident with a green card but still "detained him anyway."
quote:
Murad Awawdeh, president and CEO of the New York Immigration Coalition, said the arrest was a "blatantly unconstitutional act."
"America is supposed to be a country of laws, but this act by the DHS challenges that very concept," Awawdeh said in a statement. "DHS must immediately release Khalil, and our local elected officials must intervene in this unlawful and politically motivated detention of a New Yorker."
The New York Civil Liberties Union said Khalil's detainment was an "extreme attack on his First Amendment rights."
"Ripping a student from their home, challenging their immigration status, and detaining them solely based on political viewpoint will chill student speech and advocacy across campus," a statement read. "Political speech should never be a basis for punishment, or lead to deportation."
A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said Khalil was arrested in coordination with ICE and the State Department "in support of President Trump’s executive orders prohibiting anti-Semitism" and because he "led activities aligned to Hamas, a designated terrorist organization."
Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a post Sunday on X that the administration would be revoking the visas and green cards "of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported."
LINK
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 10:52 am to AggieHank86
He does not have a "permanent green card" as it has now been revoked, as well as his visa. And FOX has had an interview with a State Dept. official He said that ( slightly paraphrasing) interacting with a terrorist organization ...HAMAS... is a legal violation of his green card privileges. He has also been charged with instigating violence, both against property & LEO. From several different sources, his protest group, mostly non students, i.e. professional protestors, is funded by George Soros' & other similar leftists organizations.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:10 am to AggieHank86
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What we are ASKING is some recitation of the EXACT nature of the "transgressions" which form the basis for revocation of his legal status.
What is your knowledge base on the rules regarding expired student visas?
Take my advice here Hank. You don’t want this fight. You are about to be destroyed. Just admit you were wrong.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:13 am to Keltic Tiger
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He does not have a "permanent green card" as it has now been revoked, as well as his visa. And FOX has had an interview with a State Dept. official He said that ( slightly paraphrasing) interacting with a terrorist organization ...HAMAS... is a legal violation of his green card privileges. He has also been charged with instigating violence, both against property & LEO. From several different sources, his protest group, mostly non students, i.e. professional protestors, is funded by George Soros' & other similar leftists organizations.
State Department cannot "revoke" a green card. The government can initate removal proceedings against him if he becomes deportable in violation of his permanent residency, which it sounds like they are doing here. ICE still has to allege, and prove, by clear and convincing evidence, the statute in the INA he is violating.
That said there are numerous inadmissibility grounds in the application to get residency that they could allege he potentially violated that would make him ineligible for his green card and/or be deemed "fraud/misrepresentation" if he answered no to them on the application and it is proven he did those things.
IMO they jumped the gun on this detaining him with ICE to make an example of him. If they wanted him gone, they should have arrested him in violation of a federal statute, gotten a conviction, and then initiated removal proceedings.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:17 am to AggieHank86
quote:That's fair.
despite multiple searches, I can find no evidence of him having done any such thing OR any assertion by the government that such actions form the basis for their detention of the man
The accusation is he aligned with a terrorist group, organized protests in which injuries and property damage occurred, and engaged in other actions calling to question moral turpitude.
Those are simply accusations. Columbia cited a number of unspecified offenses as well. He's presumed innocent until proven guilty.
One would hope given the fact he's been detained, then transferred to a second center out-of-state, that there are solid concerns at the State Dept. But as you correctly point out, we're not privy to those.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:43 am to lionward2014
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IMO they jumped the gun on this detaining him with ICE to make an example of him.
You ever been in immigration court? The rules of evidence are VERY relaxed. This guy is gone. Legally.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:45 am to NC_Tigah
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Those are simply accusations. Columbia cited a number of unspecified offenses as well. He's presumed innocent until proven guilty.
You’re my man….but that isn’t the standard in immigration court. Hank knows this. At least he should.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:50 am to BBONDS25
quote:It has been a while, but I think the standard is "clear and convincing evidence" in this "deportation" context, right?quote:You’re my man….but that isn’t the standard in immigration court. Hank knows this. At least he should.
Those are simply accusations. Columbia cited a number of unspecified offenses as well. He's presumed innocent until proven guilty.
And I continue to ask "Clear and Convincing Evidence ... of WHAT?"
I don't see it as being an unreasonable question to ask.
As best I can tell, all we have been told is that he hung out with people who may have supported HAMAS and with people who may have done some property damage. I've seen no allegation (much less any evidence) that Khalil did either of those things himself.
Is "hanging out with naughty people" enough to get your arse deported? I do not know, but I tend to doubt it.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 11:52 am
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