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re: US Abruptly Cancels Media Conference After Zelensky Met With Trump's Ukraine Envoy

Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:38 am to
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46731 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:38 am to
I feel that Elon and Trump definitely take in feedback on x. All of the feeds are flooded with "Not a penny more for Ukraine." Will definitely be a battle with Senate budget proposals already written up. Will see how this plays out
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:41 am to
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What happens when we run out of Ukrainian men?

What in the ever loving frick are you talking about? "We" won't run out of Ukrainian men.

What happens when North Vietnam runs out of men?

What happens when Afghanistan runs out of men?

It's like none of you have ever even cracked open a History book.

I can't believe so many Americans support a corrupt authoritarian government just going around invading countries and taking their land and resources. You wouldn't put with it if it happened to you.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:42 am to
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Try to figure out a way to end it?

Tell me how much Trump and Putin have decided that Russia will pay in reparations to Ukraine for all the devastation caused by Putin's unlawful invasion.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:47 am to
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We're at year three of this, bro. It's time to change course.

So just stop giving Ukraine weapons. Don't try to give Putin everything he wants, that will simply embolden him to do it again.

When did appeasement become the answer to military aggression?
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2212 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:47 am to
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I couldn’t care less how long that war lasts, Ukraine can fight until the bitter end, as long as I don’t have to pay for it.

But as long as the American taxpayer is asked to fund it, we should be able to dictate terms of ending it ASAP.

I don’t support Russian or Ukraine, I support America.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6985 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:48 am to
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What do you people expect the head of state to do


Not provoke a war with the threat of parking a NATO member on Russia's border.

We would absolutely stop any thing like that on our border. In fact, Kennedy sent a fleet to stop the Russians from placing a nuke in Cuba.

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when his country is invaded by an armed force?


That would not have happened if the threat of NATO entry would have never happened.

PS.... We are not the world's keeper.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:53 am to
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I can’t speak for anyone else, but I couldn’t care less how long that war lasts, Ukraine can fight until the bitter end, as long as I don’t have to pay for it.

I can agree with that.
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But as long as the American taxpayer is asked to fund it, we should be able to dictate terms of ending it ASAP.


That is absolutely fricking WRONG. We shouldn't be dictating terms to anyone. We should either continue to support them or not. Unilaterally meeting with Putin to discuss terms is just fricking CRAZY. It's not our country, we have no right to dictate terms to anyone. If we don't want to give our weapons away, we should just fricking stop giving our weapons away.
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I don’t support Russian or Ukraine, I support America.

That's gotten us into trouble in the past, but I at least understand the sentiment. But "not supporting" is different from dictating draconian terms to the country we were just supporting last month.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:53 am to
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We won't run out of Ukrainian men


You need help friend. They have nearly half a million killed or wounded and Russians standing army was almost double the size prior to the invasion. He’s repeatedly called for western troops on the front.

You don’t take the steps he’s taken if there aren’t serious personnel issues.

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I can't believe so many Americans support a corrupt authoritarian government

Supporting either side fits this description. Z is the product of western regime change policy, and has now installed himself as a dictator. He’s abolished political parties, elections, and opposition media.

Peace is the only path.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6985 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:54 am to
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I can't believe so many Americans support a corrupt authoritarian government just going around invading countries



You are way over the top. Nobody here stated that they support Putin. Not a single one. You trying to make it into that shows you are not listening.

Explaining why we want nothing to do with this and being against provoking wars is not the same thing as supporting Putin.

But you know this.

Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23358 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:54 am to
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What in the ever loving frick are you talking about? "We" won't run out of Ukrainian men.

The Ukrainians cant man their front lines. Thats not my opinion, its theirs going back to mid 2024:
ABC News - Ukranian Troop Shortage

Further, most of their remaining military age men have fled and the populace is violently opposed to lowering the draft age to 18.

So yes, they've run out of fighting age males.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
10005 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:55 am to
All wars end with negotiations. Z is an idiot for not being at the table.
Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
6181 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:58 am to
I think Trump is pressuring Z to confession the truth on the corruption involved with US aid over the last 4 years. Meanwhile Z is blackmailing the Europeans into replacing US aid or he exposes the whole scheme of political kickbacks from the European political community.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:58 am to
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You accuse the Russian government of corruption, yet give the Zelensky regime a pass?


See? They are BOTH corrupt. You are swallowing a narrative fed to you by western forces who not only installed Zelensky as a puppet, but fostered this war, false flagged nordstream2, and scuttled an early peace deal that would have saved thousands of lives.

Ask yourself why American democrats were so pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine during the Obama years. This is all a globalist game. Why don’t you want peace?
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23358 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:58 am to
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But as long as the American taxpayer is asked to fund it, we should be able to dictate terms of ending it ASAP.

That is absolutely fricking WRONG. We shouldn't be dictating terms to anyone.


The US IC and DOS under Victoria Nuland installed Z prior to the war via a color revolution. Heres a link from the noted right wing extremist website "The Atlantic Council":
Atlantic Council - US Backed Orange Revolution in Ukraine Reshapes Century

The US under Biden underwrote the vast majority of this war.

The US has every right to come up with a framework for peace and then explain to Ukraine they can accept it or fight alone and that's exactly what's about to happen.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:59 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23358 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:00 am to
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I think Trump is pressuring Z to confession the truth on the corruption involved with US aid over the last 4 years. Meanwhile Z is blackmailing the Europeans into replacing US aid or he exposes the whole scheme of political kickbacks from the European political community.

Trump wants:
A) Peace in Ukraine
B) Exposure of the blackmail and domestic US political money laundering in Ukraine
C) Compensation for the money the US spent in the form of rare earth metals
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35650 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:00 am to
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So just stop giving Ukraine weapons. Don't try to give Putin everything he wants, that will simply embolden him to do it again.

When did appeasement become the answer to military aggression?


I suspect most Americans would say since the conflict is on their continent Europe can fund if it is important. But if Ukraine is going to rely upon the US to largely fund their battle the US is going to have a say in how it goes, and it sounds like the US is trying to end it. Zelensky doesn't have to agree to the terms. That's his right as leader of his nation. But the US can then back out of the whole thing and let Ukraine "win" the war on its own; get demolished; or have Europe pay the note.

Would you prefer the US just extend an endless line of credit to Ukraine to keep this thing going in perpetuity? Ukraine can't "win" without the US. That means the US makes the decisions.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:01 am to
Zelensky is now openly admitting that Trump was right about their casualty count. Over 400k killed or wounded. Only about half of the wounded are able to return to the front.

Russias losses are similar but their standing army is MUCH larger.

If the current status sup remains, all Russia has to do is wait this out.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:03 am to
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You need help friend. They have nearly half a million killed or wounded and Russians standing army was almost double the size prior to the invasion. He’s repeatedly called for western troops on the front. You don’t take the steps he’s taken if there aren’t serious personnel issues.

Now you're just talking gibberish in order to rationalize this ridiculousness in your head.

You just said "THEY" have nearly half a million killed. Not the "WE" I was responding to, Of course HE has serious personnel issues, of course HE is asking for other troops, he's desperate because his country is being invaded by a much larger force. Don't you think North Vietnam was having manpower issues before we finally decided that it wasn't worth it? Don't you think Afghanistan was having manpower issues before the Russians finally decided it wasn't worth it?

None of what you say explains why the president of the United States wants to give the corrupt aggressor everything he wants, and THEN wants to demand payment from the country being invaded.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47578 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:03 am to
This might be right. After all, when Z was elected he sought cooperation into the level of corruption between the previous regimes. The fact that Hunter was at the center of that started a global chorus of ree rees
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23358 posts
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:09 am to
I mean Ukraine started with 9M military age males in 2022 (25-59).

So from that you subtract the ~500k casualties and an estimated 650k who have fled the country and you're left with somewhere north of 7M potential combatants before you get into things like deferments and health exemptions.

To put that in context Russia has 39M men between that age range.

This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 11:10 am
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