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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:13 pm to notiger1997
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:13 pm to notiger1997
quote:Just as is the case in the DoD?
Isn’t NATO a defensive group?
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:13 pm to Warboo
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Actually I find hard to believe stupid mfers actually believe this crap.
They don’t actually believe these histrionics. It’s just a narrative they peddle in order to justify further US intervention into the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:14 pm to notiger1997
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Why do they get to say no? Isn’t NATO a defensive group?
Supposed to be. Turns out they are globalists. They are on the offensive.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:14 pm to Warboo
Where are they on the offensive?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:16 pm to Warboo
quote:And that should settle it?
They said no NATO for Ukraine.
Do you honestly believe that saw-off cocksucker, Putin, who once said "the breakup of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century," would be appeased by allowing him to hold veto power over what countries NATO can accept as members??
Nah, that dog won't hunt. Hell, that dog won't even bark if you kick him....
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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Are you under the impression NATO moving Eastward is somehow not threatening to Russia?
Why did you carve up my post and omit my point? Post the entire post. It’s short and to the point.
I’ll do it for you,
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How has NATO moving eastward become more threatening because a Russian radar station at Orsk watching the Indian Ocean was taken out?
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:17 pm to doubleb
Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (LINK
National Security Archive
Washington, D.C., March 16, 2018 – Declassified documents from U.S. and Russian archives show that U.S. officials led Russian President Boris Yeltsin to believe in 1993 that the Partnership for Peace was the alternative to NATO expansion, rather than a precursor to it, while simultaneously planning for expansion after Yeltsin’s re-election bid in 1996 and telling the Russians repeatedly that the future European security system would include, not exclude, Russia.
National Security Archive
National Security Archive
Washington, D.C., March 16, 2018 – Declassified documents from U.S. and Russian archives show that U.S. officials led Russian President Boris Yeltsin to believe in 1993 that the Partnership for Peace was the alternative to NATO expansion, rather than a precursor to it, while simultaneously planning for expansion after Yeltsin’s re-election bid in 1996 and telling the Russians repeatedly that the future European security system would include, not exclude, Russia.
National Security Archive
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:22 pm to RiverCityTider
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Then your VP, Kamala, outright declares Ukraine will be part of NATO.
So, you are Russian? It’s easy to preach a narrative when you create your own version of reality and history to support that narrative. It works on the weak minded, but it screams what you are to anyone educated that knows history.
You are insufferable. War is hell. Many wars have been won by a party that was not party of the initial spark. Many.
World economics and politics are complex. Why do you think Putin wants Ukraine? It’s money, resources, and power. Plain and simple.
We have a serious interest in seeing Putin fail.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:22 pm to LSURussian
The Putin apologists overlook Putin’s aggression in Georgia and Ukraine and believe he isn’t a threat to NATO, but NATO which is finally reacting to Putin is in the wrong.
Russia attacks their neighbors and it’s all NATO’s fault.
Russia attacks their neighbors and it’s all NATO’s fault.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:24 pm to Warboo
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Here is the bottom line. Russia drew a line in the sand. The US along with NATO crossed it. If you cannot understand that you should stfu because you have no clue about this war period.
I will not follow your direction and I have my opinion based on my observations. As I said despite your most precious wishes, the US will not walk away from Ukraine. Whether corrupt of not they are a sovereign nation. NATO is interesting at this point. If the US unilaterally walks away from Ukraine, squishy NATO members like Turkey, Romania, Slovakia and Hungary could decide it is in their best interest to align back with the country that can provide for them, Russia. So the US will not abandon Ukraine. Period.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:25 pm to BawtHouse
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So, you are Russian? It’s easy to preach a narrative when you create your own version of reality and history to support that narrative. It works on the weak minded, but it screams what you are to anyone educated that knows history.
You know history? Why not post what you know instead of this raving nonsense?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:26 pm to LSURussian
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anything that says NATO had agreed not to expand its membership eastward.
Technically true yet there are documented discussions during the Clinton administration about how that is what Clinton said he wanted, only to be rebuked and ignored by the MIC.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:31 pm to RiverCityTider
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Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
frick yes, Putin taking L after L. Keep it up Ukraine!!
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:34 pm to RiverCityTider
Mats Nilsson - " Trust me bro this is twitter "
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:35 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I will not follow your direction and I have my opinion based on my observations. As I said despite your most precious wishes, the US will not walk away from Ukraine. Whether corrupt of not they are a sovereign nation. NATO is interesting at this point. If the US unilaterally walks away from Ukraine, squishy NATO members like Turkey, Romania, Slovakia and Hungary could decide it is in their best interest to align back with the country that can provide for them, Russia. So the US will not abandon Ukraine. Period.
The simple point to this whole ordeal is that Russia will not allow NATO controled states next to their border. They will not allow labs that are creating bioweapon technology. They will not allow nato troops and/or nato weapons (conventional or nuclear) in those states. Ukraine along with the US and NATO did or were going to do all of them. The globalists have taken over the US and now like Russia and china. Take out Russia and the rest of the world/globalist will starve china out. Job complete at that point.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:36 pm to deltaland
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frick yes, Putin taking L after L. Keep it up Ukraine!!
lol ??
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:36 pm to doubleb
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How has NATO moving eastward become more threatening because a Russian radar station at Orsk watching the Indian Ocean was taken out?
Because it was a Nuclear specific warning system and helps blind them from a nuclear threat by a remotely possible NATO attack.
We routinely fly B-52 bombers to the edge of the Interational space, in a threatening /taunting move towards Russia.
It dramatically increases to chance of them, Russia, making a grave mistake.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:36 pm to LookSquirrel
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Technically true yet there are documented discussions during the Clinton administration about how that is what Clinton said he wanted, only to be rebuked and ignored by the MIC.
Discussion, negotiations, ideas floated..,,sure.
Treaty? No. Signed agreement? No.
Anyone whoever negotiated contracts knows that often things are discussed, ideas are floated, but in the end the only thing that matters is what is in the contract.
People who believe Russia received assurances from the US about NATO and didn’t demand they be put in writing must believe the Russians are idiots.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:39 pm to deltaland
GD. If I had wanted to interact with a bunch of left wing lunatics, I would have joined Slate.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:40 pm to Warboo
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They will not allow labs that are creating bioweapon technology.
ahahaha
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