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Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:02 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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you getting on an airplane doesn't mean you know shite
Pst, didn't involve an airplane at all.
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America needs to stay at home and defend our own borders
Agreed. No clue what this has to do with this conversation, though.
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there is zero independent media documentation of anything you're saying, or not even the pathetic MSM with documentation
Don't give a shite. I've been to these places multiple times. You haven't. I'll reiterate: you do not know what you're talking about. Enjoy your "history!"
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:05 am to Zarkinletch416
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I pray for the dead and dying. On both sides. Regardless, no mother should be subjected to this taunting. Not going to kid you, it's hard watching that mother fight back tears. But then it was hard for that Ukranian father. The father who learned of the death of his wife and young daughters through a news report and video.
War is hell.
Amen
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:09 am to ThuperThumpin
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Would the Russians have maintained a non confrontational approach.. I seriously doubt it.
so maybe you don't realize what a puppet regime is
you completely ignore that the west supported munitions for Ukraine to attack Donbas for 8 years
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Let me ask you this.. what advantage (besides not being invaded) would it have been for the Ukrainians to align themselves with Russia instead of the West?
funny you should ask that, since Ukraine did indeed agree to a Russian trade agreement instead of a EU trade agreement, which caused the chickenhawks of America and Britian to come running in screaming like banshees and throw a wrench in it
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:10 am to Lima Whiskey
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Zelensky works for the Jewish oligarch Kolomoisky. Kolomoisky sponsored him.
Kolomoisky, oddly enough, also finances the Azov battalion.
It’s a weird world.
yep
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:20 am to jonnyanony
I've work some with Russians, have bar buddies who are Russians, my church supports Ukraine missionaries who are actual Ukrainians, I've talked to them, and my father was a missionary to Ukraine, one of his proudest moments.
So beyond all that, you saw a 13 year old Johnny Rotten on a Moscow street with a Nazi tat and so you disregard 8 years of documented history
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:20 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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I've work some with Russians
My god stop you're embarrassing yourself.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:23 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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funny you should ask that, since Ukraine did indeed agree to a Russian trade agreement instead of a EU trade agreement, which caused the chickenhawks of America and Britian to come running in screaming like banshees and throw a wrench in it
That is such an over simplification of the back and forth influence games b/t Ukraine/Russia/ and the EU over the past 20 years that its essentially false. But you still didnt answer the question. How would it have been a better deal for them to align economically with the Russians?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:23 am to jonnyanony
you're an uneducated narcissist
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:34 am to ThuperThumpin
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That is such an over simplification of the back and forth influence games b/t Ukraine/Russia/ and the EU over the past 20 years that its essentially false. But you still didnt answer the question. How would it have been a better deal for them to align economically with the Russians?
Basic facts are an over simplification?
And basic facts are falst? wow, lol, ok
You didn't ask about economic alignments, I'm the one who brought that to the discussion with the trade deal. To answer your new question, probably oil, I don't know beyond that. I know both countries are controlled by oligarchs so throw that in the soup
America needs to stay the frick out of all of it. And stop supporting liars in the media about what's happening. And we shouldn't have been engaging in our "regime change" shite in the first place
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:53 am to td01241
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Advancing at such a pace they can’t bury dead enemies but have time to facetime their family and track their dead body parts.
The Russians aren't exactly showing anyone how to care or show respect for their own dead.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:03 am to NC_Tigah
quote:if you believe that you are a fricking idiot. russia wanted another black sea port and putin wants to get the soviet union back together, everything else is just pretext
Sans the threat of NATO expansion into Ukraine, Crimea would still be Ukrainian
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:07 am to narddogg81
quote:No, I'm simply literate and intellectually curious, which is apparently a differentiator in this instance.
you are a fricking idiot.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:24 am to ThuperThumpin
quote:They'd still own Donbas and Crimea. Sounds like a better economic deal to me.
How would it have been a better deal for them to align economically with the Russians?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:27 am to jonnyanony
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Exactly. Both countries have bad people in them, no shite. Both countries have nazis in them, no shite. I don't "support" either.
The defining line is which country invaded another?
US invaded Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, none of which we even border. Did our soldiers deserve to be tortured and relatives harassed?
Cause that's the argument you're making. It's absurd.
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russia wanted another black sea port and putin wants to get the soviet union back together, everything else is just pretext
They already had the port and were stationed since the USSR days. You could make an argument due to instability in Ukraine after coup, they were concerned they may lose that strategic position and acted per-emptively. Coup government is not a legitimate government.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 11:31 am
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:33 am to WokeGoBroke
If my country was being invaded and bombed on a daily basis then I would have enough hate in my heart to want to do something like this, but I wouldn't because it does nothing and it's a waste of time. Whether or not Ukraine is a corrupt country with Nazis living in it, it was the Russians that showed aggression first. I am not sympathetic to either side, except the fact is that Russia was the aggressor and the aggressor has to be stopped for the fighting to stop.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:37 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Basic facts are an over simplification?
And basic facts are falst? wow, lol, ok
You didn't ask about economic alignments, I'm the one who brought that to the discussion with the trade deal. To answer your new question, probably oil, I don't know beyond that. I know both countries are controlled by oligarchs so throw that in the soup
America needs to stay the frick out of all of it. And stop supporting liars in the media about what's happening. And we shouldn't have been engaging in our "regime change" shite in the first place
Yes. Simply stating that oh the Ukrainians had a trade deal with Russia until those rascally Americans got involved completely ignores the back and forth of deals that were taking places in prior years with both Russia and the EU. You also for some reason seem to only be pointing out the US role while leaving out all the under handed shite the Russians were doing in Ukraine as well.
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To answer your new question, probably oil, I don't know beyond that. I know both countries are controlled by oligarchs so throw that in the soup
So you have no idea why the Ukrainians should have ever aligned themselves in any way with the Russians? but you expected them to not do what is in there interest and accept Russian influence?
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America needs to stay the frick out of all of it. And stop supporting liars in the media about what's happening. And we shouldn't have been engaging in our "regime change" shite in the first place
I could possibly agree with this as long as you are consistent and agree the Russians had no business trying to interfere in Ukrainian political and economic affairs as well as their own civil conflicts.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:49 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Nasty Ukrainians and nasty Russians. Who's the nastiest?
United States Government officials.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:54 am to td01241
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Our good friends the Ukrainians. A bastion of democracy and righteousness. Advancing at such a pace they can’t bury dead enemies but have time to facetime their family and track their dead body parts.
I get that this is a bad look. But just imagine someone invaded the USA and this shame situation presented itself. It would be might tempting to dance on the grave taunt the enemy.
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