re: TX Dem nominee says God gave Mary a choice not to birth Jesus

Democrats say no to life every single day in this country so technically he is correct. Democrats love some baby killing and the money it brings in.

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The interpretations are said to be drawn directly from Scripture, but, the interpretations can be argued to be incorrect.

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Sure, they can be argued to be so. Unitarians argue that the verses supporting the Trinity are misinterpreted, too. You can argue about anything.

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There WERE interpretations in place that had been so for over a 1,000 years. Then the Reformers came along and taught us that their own NEW interpretations were right and the 1,000 year old interpretations were wrong.

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The Reformers were leaning on the Scriptures first and foremost, but as I already said, they also supported their interpretations with the early church fathers. So no, their interpretations weren't new. They were just at odds with the accepted teachings of the RCC at that time. Even so, there were many faithful Catholics that also disagreed with Roman teachings at times.

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Today, we have yet another allegedly correct Scriptural interpretation from this TX Dem nominee. He says my interpretation is wrong and his interpretation is correct.

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Yes, he claims that, however his claims fall apart quickly when you seek to be consistent with the rest of Scripture. This guy isn't a theologian. He's a seminary student, and a member of a congregation with an openly lesbian "minister". He misrepresented the narrative about Mary and the incarnation, so clearly his interpretation is going to likely be misguided, and a close examination of the Scriptures proves that it is.

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So, this sort of thing has been going on since the Reformation and it will continue until the End of Time.

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Since the Reformation? It's been happening since Satan in the garden of Eden twisted God's words and gave a different interpretation. The interpretative finger pointing has been happening throughout all of history. The Jews accused Jesus of having a false interpretation (and He certainly called them out on their false teachings); Paul had a disagreement with Barnabas, Peter, and others; the early church fathers disagreed with one another all the time; and even the Great Schism between the Eastern and Western churches occurred due to differences in interpretations about the Pope's authority and the filioque.

So no, that's not a problem that started with the Reformation.

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The TX Dem nominee and I are pointing fingers at each other simultaneously telling the other "you're wrong. I'm right."

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Yes, that's what sin does. It clouds understanding and leads to false beliefs at times. There is no perfect church with a perfect understanding about all things this side of Heaven.

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You and I have spent many hours in the past discussing our different conclusions regarding what the writings of the early church fathers support and do not support. What I know from historical fact is this: as a whole, the writings and doctrines of the early church fathers are in alignment with the teachings of the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches.

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As a whole, the writings and doctrines are in alignment with all of the major Christian sects, including Protestantism broadly. Where we primarily disagree, there was not consensus among even the fathers. Doctrines about purgatory and papal infallibility, for instance, were not as Rome teaches today. Those were developments over hundreds of years, and yet you claim consistency with the modern teaching. That is playing fast and loose with history.

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To suggest that the writings of the early church fathers demonstrate that they were Reformers or Protestants is very far from being accurate.

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They weren’t reformers or Protestants, for sure, but neither were they Roman Catholic as Rome asserts. The best word to use to describe the early church is “messy”. They were not unified in their understanding on a lot.

My point, though, was that there were certainly Protestant teachings within the early church, demonstrating a lack of novelty in the Reformation.

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Here's a good book about it. It's by Jimmy Akin and it demonstrates what the early church fathers believed:

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I’ve read several books on church history. I don’t need to read Akin’s book.

Above all else, I go to the Scriptures.

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Logic indicates this conclusion as the most likely correct:

If the Early Church Fathers' writings, doctrines and thinking established a Theology that more closely resembled today's Protestant doctrines and thinking, then the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches would not exist, because all of Christianity would be Protestant.

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That's not how it would be, logically.

Factually, the early church had a plurality of presbyters governing the churches before a singular bishop rose in prominence in an area, and then eventually the bishop of Rome became the "head of the church". That's not how it was in the beginning. Accretions and changes happened, and that's just one example.

What happened was that there was a lot of lack of specificity in theology and practice in the beginning, and subtle changes happened over time that became practice. Many of those practices then became codified in the magisterium. It's the position today of Rome (and the EOC) to claim that the beliefs and practices of the church today have always existed since the time of the Apostles, yet we don't find historical evidence of that claim.

The problem is that, over time, councils and popes have made declarations of what a belief and practice ought to be for the church, and that's what the church had to submit to, even if there are good reasons to disagree.

As always, this discussion comes down to authority: is the Bible the only infallible rule for faith and life, or is there another rule (the church)?

This thing is mentally confused....
6 genders
God is non-binary
and now this about Mary......

no clicks for these creeps, please

And eventually, due to the fact that we allowed stupidity like this to over take our gov, they will be the majority.


This all started the day somebody uttered the words separation of church and state.

It snow balled from there.

what a wicked and twisted mind you have!

i'm certain your professor would be proud of you for making this comment.


God have mercy on your soul . . .

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He is a student at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary

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these 'seminaries' have been taken over by the prog's, wicked institutions.

the Baptist Seminary in New Orleans is one as well. ungodly.

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Apostasy.

This is all foretold. It's happening before our eyes, exactly as written 2,000 years ago.

To those of little or no faith, I implore you to seek the Truth of GOD, and I pray for your enlightenment and salvation. It's all i can do. Whether we recognize it or not, we are ALL brothers and sisters in Christ. The choice we are given, is the choice between believing or rejecting, salvation or damnation.

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well said. Amen