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re: Trump willing to end war without opening Hormuz Strait - WSJ

Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:15 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:15 am to
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So "this" time they aren't lying with their unnamed sources?


Maybe, maybe not. I see you ignored my statement about Trump’s own statements this morning.

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No thanks. Maybe you and your buddies will get lucky and have some troops die today. That will give you something to celebrate and start more negative threads about.


Oh frick off.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:18 am to
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To keep our economy going?

We don't produce enough of the type of oil that we need for our refineries. We have to import 6-8M barrels per day to keep things going.


We are a net petroleum exporter. A major part of our export production is light sweet crude. Light sweet crude brings in more dollars than heavy crude. It can be converted into more products.

So even if we were not a net petroleum exporter, and instead had an import-export balance in which we were bringing in as much heavy crude by volume as we were exporting light sweet crude, it would still work out well for us.
This post was edited on 3/31/26 at 7:19 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37314 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:18 am to
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The UK with their 2 functional destroyers, the French, and the pitiful shite that is the German navy, China, etc., can all figure it out on their own

We fricked it up but somehow it’s their problem to resolve?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:19 am to
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We fricked it up but somehow it’s their problem to resolve?


Not only that. This negative externality is a reason why they didn't want to engage. We engage irrationally, create the shite sandwich, derail the global oil economy, and tell them, "tough titty should have helped us hurt you all along"

Absolutely insane
Posted by AUJACK
Member since Sep 2020
1380 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:19 am to
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:20 am to
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We fricked it up but somehow it’s their problem to resolve?


The Trump Doctrine
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65819 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:20 am to
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officials with knowledge on the matter


Every time.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11231 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:21 am to
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This Iran thing has just been amazing, scary, and sad to watch.


So many here that laughed at people on the left that were terrified of Covid and were mad at the government's reactions, have now used the fear factor to justify the government's actions for war.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12321 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:21 am to
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This is all market manipulation. The uncertainty and mixed messaging is intentional and have kept things from spiraling. I am curious how long they can keep this up before the markets stop reacting to every message coming out of Washington.


I agree with this. I don’t think “negotiations are going well” and “war will be wrapped up soon” are getting traction any more.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63675 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:21 am to
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We are a net petroleum exporter.


40% of the oil used in U.S. refineries is imported.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37314 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:23 am to
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We engage irrationally, create the shite sandwich, derail the global oil economy, and tell them, "tough titty should have helped us hurt you all along"

There may have been some appetite to help or at least cooperation on getting the oil flowing, but we didn’t tell anyone ahead of time.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:25 am to
Let me clarify that I don't think that was the admin's actual plan.

I'm responding to the shitty argument.

I believe this is "market manipulation" as stated before. PR trying to impact the global markets b/c of how bad this situation has been for the global/domestic economies.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98044 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:26 am to
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officials with knowledge on the matter


Every time.


Yup and the Soy Brigade led by SFP are lapping it up

All the usual suspects have their panties in a bunch up in here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:27 am to
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Yup and the Soy Brigade led by SFP are lapping it up

Showing you can't read as always.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29214 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:27 am to
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We don't NEED the oil that passes through the strait, the rest of the world does. We produce enough to be independent and then some.


Just remember, even though we're "energy independent" and ourselves aren't dependent on oil that passes through, it doesn't mean that we wouldn't be affected at the pump if it remains closed. We still import crude oil due to needing different blends, and even our oil at home is part of the free market and priced globally.

Sustained $100 WTI would sure guarantee better raises and bonuses for my industry than this past cycle, but not sure about the overall effect to our economy. I do think our economy can blow and go and keep growing at sustained $80. Just not sure about triple digits.

Also, we’re still a net importer of crude oil. We’re a net exporter of “total petroleum product”.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:27 am to
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We fricked it up
Negative!

Control of Hormuz was always on the Iranian scorecard. They just needed enough of a backing military threat to be able to pull it off.

But the move was inevitable.

Better to bring it to head now, with an absolutely decimated, Iranian military force, then to wait until Iran had nukes, and missiles which could reach Paris. We did the EU a big favor. Now if they get off their butts, they can finish the job, or they can leave the straits functionally closed.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
24684 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:27 am to
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
6581 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:27 am to
Spent billions, lost 13 lives with over 300 wounded, Iran was not an imminent threat to US soil, extremism still rules Iran and that won't change, sealed the fate in the mid-terms, considering conceding the control of the strait of Hormuz which will just allow Iran to control it and make money to finance extremism.

And Trump calls it a victory.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:28 am to
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Negative!

Control of Hormuz was always on the Iranian scorecard. They just needed enough of a backing military threat to be able to pull it off.

But the move was inevitable.

Better to bring it to head now, with an absolutely decimated, Iranian military force, then to wait until Iran had nukes, and missiles which could reach Paris. We did the EU a big favor. Now if they get off their butts, they can finish the job, or they can leave the straits functionally closed.


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This Iran thing has just been amazing, scary, and sad to watch.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138899 posts
Posted on 3/31/26 at 7:28 am to
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40% of the oil used in U.S. refineries is imported.
Perhaps you did not read what I wrote. Give it another try.
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