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Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:05 am to RFK
It didn’t sound arbitrary at all. Sounded to me like an extremely clear dividing line….
Pay your NATO dues, get the value of NATO membership. Don’t pay your dues, get cut off from those membership perks. You know, just like every other club on the planet that charges a membership fee… you have to pay that fee to remain a member.
Is that really arbitrary?
Pay your NATO dues, get the value of NATO membership. Don’t pay your dues, get cut off from those membership perks. You know, just like every other club on the planet that charges a membership fee… you have to pay that fee to remain a member.
Is that really arbitrary?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:08 am to RFK
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RFK
Perhaps it's time you realize that USA tax payers are NATO
it's us and everyone benefits from us, we get what?
a bill
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:14 am to RFK
The problem isn't Trump's stance, it's your own short-sightedness.
We're over $34T in debt with annual projected deficits of over $1.5T per year. We've been spending more in annual deficits than we have been spending on servicing debt for over a decade now (last year debt servicing was just over $1T), which means we're in a spiral of borrowing more and more just to fund being able to borrow more and more because the budget has grown well beyond revenues.
What that means is we simply cannot afford to be NATOs sugar-daddy any longer. We'll help as we can, but the European members should have the primary responsibility of funding their defense.
Along with all this, Trump's whole stance is old news. He actually did this during his term and the result was that the other member nations began paying more.
You would sacrifice the United States just to avoid holding the European NATO members to providing more for their own defense.
We're over $34T in debt with annual projected deficits of over $1.5T per year. We've been spending more in annual deficits than we have been spending on servicing debt for over a decade now (last year debt servicing was just over $1T), which means we're in a spiral of borrowing more and more just to fund being able to borrow more and more because the budget has grown well beyond revenues.
What that means is we simply cannot afford to be NATOs sugar-daddy any longer. We'll help as we can, but the European members should have the primary responsibility of funding their defense.
Along with all this, Trump's whole stance is old news. He actually did this during his term and the result was that the other member nations began paying more.
You would sacrifice the United States just to avoid holding the European NATO members to providing more for their own defense.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:15 am to RFK
Only the US taxpayer has expectations to meet demands.
Everyone else gets a pass.
Pushing back is long overdue and much needed.
Everyone else gets a pass.
Pushing back is long overdue and much needed.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 8:17 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:15 am to ApexTiger
Let's put this in simple terms. You are a member of an exclusive gold club. Some of the members quit paying the dues. You love the club so you begin carrying more of the burden of it's upkeep. More members quit paying but you pick up the burden. Those members are still there paying nothing or next to nothing. Eventually, you are carrying the vast majority of the load. That's what's happening now.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 8:18 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:16 am to RFK
He simply didn’t say the line you attributed to him.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:16 am to RFK
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personally think it’s insanity to be feckless with NATO and claim you’ll arbitrarily abide by one of our longest treaties and the alliance that defeated communism and won the Cold War.
The agreement calls for every nation to spend a certain percentage of GDP on defense. Many aren’t doing that. If they won’t follow the agreement why should we?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:18 am to RFK
Thoughts? Good for Trump. The United States are not the protectors of the world. Pay your share or GTFO
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:19 am to RFK
quote:
RFK
All the while we sit back and laugh at you and how stupid you sound.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:20 am to RFK
frick NATO the USSR fell over 3 decades ago.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:25 am to RFK
Top 10 NATO Countries with the Highest Defense Expenditures (by total US$) 2023
United States $860,000
Germany $68,080
United Kingdom $65,763
France $56,649
Italy $31,585
Poland $29,105
Canada $28,950
Spain $19,179
Netherlands $16,741
Turkey $15,842
Poland pays the highest per GDP...
we paid the highest per capita but a mile
United States $860,000
Germany $68,080
United Kingdom $65,763
France $56,649
Italy $31,585
Poland $29,105
Canada $28,950
Spain $19,179
Netherlands $16,741
Turkey $15,842
Poland pays the highest per GDP...
we paid the highest per capita but a mile
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:28 am to RFK
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I personally think it’s insanity to be feckless with NATO and claim you’ll arbitrarily abide by one of our longest treaties
What do you think about the members who refuse to spend the amounts required by the treaty? Aren't they violating the agreement and being feckless?
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:29 am to RFK
quote:
NATO
Is nothing and means nothing.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:31 am to RFK
This is classic Trump -- it's the unpredictability he brings to the table that gets other countries to fall in line.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:37 am to RFK
Europeans have paid universal health care. We don’t.
Europeans have pensions. We don’t.
Europeans have six weeks off in the summer, called holiday there, vacation here. We don’t.
So they don’t spend on their own defense in violation of a treaty they signed? And their citizens have a better quality of life than most Americans? GMAFB.
Europeans have pensions. We don’t.
Europeans have six weeks off in the summer, called holiday there, vacation here. We don’t.
So they don’t spend on their own defense in violation of a treaty they signed? And their citizens have a better quality of life than most Americans? GMAFB.
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:53 am to RFK
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feckless
I’ve seen the MSM using this word more times the past 3-4 days than my entire life
You are a democrat shill
Posted on 2/11/24 at 8:56 am to RFK
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This recklessness degrades trust from our allies and emboldens our enemies
Trump's position is that the USA should continue to be a sucker for Europe. Even if they paid what they agreed to pay (you know...treaty and all), the US would still be carrying the vast majority of the cost of NATO.
Think of it as an insurance policy. The contract still exists, but if you don't pay the premium, they ain't gonna pay when a tree falls on your house.
This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 9:26 am
Posted on 2/11/24 at 9:12 am to 632627
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as I understand it, he was speaking at a rally in South Carolina and he recalled making this statement.
either way, it's totally foolish on his part.
Explain why it is foolish
Posted on 2/11/24 at 9:16 am to RFK
I for one embrace returning to 1980 euro maps. The eastern euro women were hotter back then. Trump knows this. He married a couple women from the commie side of the wall. I’ll miss Prague somewhat, but West Berlin being in East Germany was awesome.
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