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re: Trump reclassifies marijuana to Schedule III drug
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:17 am to Strannix
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:17 am to Strannix
If an individual needs/desires either to cope with their lives, the individual needs to grow up and solve their problems. Neither alcohol or drugs will do that for them.
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:18 am to BugAC
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Calm down, Cheech. I understand you like pot but we don't need to be hyperbolic. I don't think long term psychosis is "less damaging" than liver disease. I'd say they are about equal in terms of long term damage.
Ignorant statement is ignorant.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:19 am to blueboy
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Did you get this from the Anheiser-Bush Research Institute
Common sense.
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Even if true, by the numbers, liver diseases alone would far outpace deaths or other problems arising from any vague 'psychosis'
Well, let's remove some of the bullshite.
1) Not everyone that drinks alcohol will get liver disease. Those that abuse will, those that do not, likely will not.
2) Not every pot smoker will develop marijuana induced psychosis. Those that abuse it will, those that won't, probably will not.
3) In terms of "damaging", i'd say they are about on equal terms.
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Then of course, you have kidney diseases, central nervous system damage, skin conditions, domestic violence, etc.
Well, there are more downsides to pot. Lung disease, schizofrenia, downstream conditions that stem from mental disease caused by MJ, domestic violence (that isn't a alcohol only trait).
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Also, drunks have a strangle hold on KILLING OTHER PEOPLE WITH THEIR CARS
There is no difference between drunk driving and high driving. You are intoxicated in both instances.
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Not so much with the pot-heads.
That coincides with availabiltiy and legality. In California, for example, when MJ was legalized, the following years saw an uptick of 40% on traffic related incidents while under the influence of marijuana. (a study i read a few years back, i don't have that on me.)
I'm not arguing alcohol isn't bad for you. I'm just arguing that marijuana is equally as bad. And i can't stand the pot heads that come here any time a marijuana thread is started, and pretends it's this magical hallucinogen with absolutely no downside or no ill health affects. Pretending it is just disqualifies you from rational thought. Pot is as bad as alcohol. Abusing either is deadly.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 9:21 am
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:28 am to BugAC
quote:Yeah, so you have no evidence to back that up.
Common sense.
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3) In terms of "damaging", i'd say they are about on equal terms.
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Annual Deaths: Estimates range from over 22,000 (specific ALD deaths) to over 43,000 (liver deaths involving alcohol).
Mortality Trend: Deaths from ALD rose by nearly 80% over the last 20 years.
quote:I'd say not.
Impact on Youth: The largest percentage increases in alcohol-induced deaths from 2019 to 2020 were for males under 25 (50%) and females 35–44
quote:Because you say so? Show me your receipts. I'll show you mine.
Lung disease, schizofrenia, downstream conditions that stem from mental disease caused by MJ, domestic violence (that isn't a alcohol only trait).
quote:No, there sure is.
There is no difference between drunk driving and high driving
quote:Alcohol causes far more deaths than marijuana, regardless of availability. It's long documented.
Alcohol remains a more significant factor in fatal automobile crashes than marijuana, with alcohol-impaired drivers being roughly 17.8 times more likely to be responsible for a fatal accident compared to a 1.65 times increased risk for cannabis users.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:31 am to lowhound
If alcohol is legal, weed should be as well.
It always amazes me the people who will fight to the death to keep weed illegal, then go buy a fifth at the store and pound it that night and find nothing disingenuous about their argument.
It always amazes me the people who will fight to the death to keep weed illegal, then go buy a fifth at the store and pound it that night and find nothing disingenuous about their argument.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:32 am to Strannix
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Alcohol is 100x more damaging.
Even if that were true (it's not), that would be an argument to re-criminalize alcohol, not to ignore cannabis.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:34 am to wackatimesthree
Neither is an argument to criminalize either, imo. People should have the choice to choose what is right for them up until that choice infringes on the rights of others.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:34 am to wackatimesthree
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Even if that were true (it's not),
It is most certainly true. Not to mention alcohol is the only intoxicant where the physical withdrawals can kill you.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:36 am to BugAC
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bullshite. 1) Not everyone that drinks alcohol will get liver disease. Those that abuse will, those that do not, likely will not. 2) Not every pot smoker will develop marijuana induced psychosis. Those that abuse it will, those that won't, probably will not. 3) In terms of "damaging", i'd say they are about on equal terms.
quote:I’m not arguing that weed is harmless but this is genuinely retarded
There is no difference between drunk driving and high driving. You are intoxicated in both instances
quote:where are these people? They don’t exist
And i can't stand the pot heads that come here any time a marijuana thread is started, and pretends it's this magical hallucinogen with absolutely no downside or no ill health affects
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:36 am to Centinel
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It is most certainly true.
Nope.
Nothing anybody has posted here or that you can find online = alcohol being ONE HUNDRED TIMES more dangerous than cannabis, which is what he claimed.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:38 am to Centinel
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Not to mention alcohol is the only intoxicant where the physical withdrawals can kill you.
Nope.
Barbiturates, benzodiazepines, and glucocorticoids can also kill you during withdrawal.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:39 am to wackatimesthree
I would think a drug where the withdrawal can kill you makes it a bit more dangerous then a drug where that's not the case.
Not to mention ODing on weed is not a fun experience, but ODing on alcohol will also kill you.
I'm sorry that it's only 95.8334% more dangerous, not 100%.
Not to mention ODing on weed is not a fun experience, but ODing on alcohol will also kill you.
I'm sorry that it's only 95.8334% more dangerous, not 100%.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:47 am to kingbob
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People should have the choice to choose what is right for them up until that choice infringes on the rights of others.
That depends on what you consider the "rights of others."
Legalizing weed in states has definitely had an impact on taxpayers and those who buy health insurance (which is everybody).
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From 2016 (125,418) to 2019 (236,954), California emergency department visits and admissions for any related marijuana use has increased by 89%.
Cannabidiol-related (CBD) exposure calls in California increased from 2014 (3) to 2019 (1,526).
From 2005 (1,412) to 2019 (16,151) there was a 1044% increase in California emergency department visits and admissions for primary marijuana use, with a 56% increase from 2016 (10,361) to 2019 (16,151).
From 2005 (1,393) to 2019 (14,993) there was a 976% increase in California emergency department visits with marijuana-related occurrences.
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Effects of Cannabis Legalization on Road Safety: A Literature Review
Francisco González-Sala 1,*, Macarena Tortosa-Pérez 2, María Peñaranda-Ortega 3, Francisco Tortosa 4
Editor: Elisardo Becoña Iglesias
Author information
Article notes
Copyright and License information
PMCID: PMC10001957 PMID: 36901669
Abstract
Background: Legalizing medical and recreational cannabis and decriminalizing this substance may have unanticipated effects on traffic safety. The present study aimed to assess the impact of cannabis legalization on traffic accidents. Methods: A systematic review was carried out following the Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analyses (PRISMA) declaration of the articles included in the Web of Science (WoS) and Scopus databases. The number of papers included in the review was 29. Results: The results show that in 15 papers, there is a relationship between the legalization of medical and/or recreational cannabis and the number of traffic accidents, while in 5 papers, no such relationship is observed. In addition, nine articles indicate a greater number of risk behaviors related to driving after consumption, identifying young, male, and alcohol consumption together with cannabis as the risk profile. Conclusions: It can be concluded that the legalization of medical and/or recreational cannabis has negative effects on road safety when considering the number of jobs that affect the number of fatalities.
That's just a quick Google search. That doesn't even get into the community effects that inevitably follow when "freedom to engage in degeneracy" projects are engaged in (strip clubs, weed dispensaries, bath houses, etc.).
And yeah, it's all true of alcohol too. That was my point. If legalizing cannabis is associated with an increase in problems that cost uninvolved people money and safety and alcohol is really so much worse, my takeaway from that information is that both are impacting other people's rights, but that alcohol is probably impacting them to an unacceptable degree.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:48 am to wackatimesthree
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Barbiturates
No.
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glucocorticoids
This isn't even a drug that is abused recreational. Why the frick would you even include this? It is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.
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benzodiazepines
Can occur because it essentially mimics the impact to brain function that severe alcohol dependency can also cause. However alcohol dependency of that level is far, far, more common.
So congrats? You have *one* example that is still far less common than death from alcohol withdrawal.
The fact remains alcohol is FAR more destructive to the body, in multiple ways, then weed.
Defending alcohol use a fricking weird take here.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:49 am to blueboy
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Because you say so? Show me your receipts. I'll show you mine.
Sure
Heavy or prolonged use (especially starting in adolescence) links to persistent impairments in memory, attention, learning, and executive function (e.g., decision-making, planning). Some deficits may linger after abstinence, with evidence of reduced brain activation during working memory tasks
Adolescent brains (developing until ~25) are particularly vulnerable; early use associates with lower educational attainment and possible IQ decline (up to ~8 points in heavy users, per some studies).
Increased risk of cannabis use disorder (CUD): ~22% of users develop it; ~3 in 10 recent users per some estimates. Risk is higher with regular/early use
Psychosis/schizophrenia (dose-dependent, stronger in genetically vulnerable people); worsened psychotic symptoms.
Links to depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation/attempts, and mania (associations are bidirectional and stronger in youth)
Respiratory: Smoking causes cough, bronchitis, and phlegm; long-term lung irritation
Cardiovascular: Increased risk of heart attack, stroke, and coronary heart disease, especially daily use (dose-dependent).
Reproductive/Pregnancy: Use during pregnancy links to low birth weight, preterm birth, restricted fetal growth, and potential long-term child neurodevelopmental issues (attention, behavior, cognition). THC passes into breast milk. Avoid entirely.
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Other: Possible testicular cancer links (limited evidence), hyperemesis syndrome.
Addiction and dependence: Withdrawal includes irritability, sleep issues, cravings, and mood changes.
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Key Risk Factors
Adolescents/young adults: Highest concern due to brain development.
Frequency/dose: Daily or high-THC use amplifies risks.
Method: Smoking harms lungs; edibles have delayed, unpredictable effects.
Vulnerable groups: Personal/family history of psychosis, heart disease, or pregnancy.
Overall scientific consensus (from CDC, NIH, National Academies, and umbrella reviews): Recreational use, especially heavy/chronic patterns, links to net adverse outcomes in cognition, mental health, and some physical systems. Benefits exist in specific medical contexts under supervision but are not risk-free.
So can you dispense of the bullshite now, and stop pretending pot isn't harmful?
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:49 am to Centinel
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I would think a drug where the withdrawal can kill you makes it a bit more dangerous then a drug where that's not the case.
PCP doesn't cause death when someone stops taking it.
Is it more dangerous than alcohol?
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I'm sorry that it's only 95.8334% more dangerous
You potheads are so fricking stupid.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:50 am to wackatimesthree
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Even if that were true (it's not), that would be an argument to re-criminalize alcohol, not to ignore cannabis.
Random statistic notwithstanding, the fact that just because something is dangerous you prefer to re-criminalize something misses the point. People are going to have their vices, the argument is simply that if alcohol is legal, marijuana should be too. Not make one illegal because the other is. Danger or not, it's a matter of personal choice for consumption.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:50 am to wackatimesthree
And insurers should have the right to discriminate and/or charge more based on if their customers smoke. I hate the wickardian concept of everything is commerce so we should regulate everything mindset. It’s just government paternalism used as a cover for corrupt cartels and monopolists to jail their competitors.
As for other dens of inequity, the main issues are ensuring safe conduct, preventing spread of diseases, and ensuring all parties are consenting adults. Some regulations could be beneficial here to allow such places to operate with minimal negative consequences for the non-participating public at-large.
As for other dens of inequity, the main issues are ensuring safe conduct, preventing spread of diseases, and ensuring all parties are consenting adults. Some regulations could be beneficial here to allow such places to operate with minimal negative consequences for the non-participating public at-large.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:50 am to kingbob
quote:Problem is the gubment makes weed legal, certain individuals can't handle their new "freedom" and create societal problems. That same gubment steps in and wants those of us that aren't involved and didn't assist in creating the problem to pay just a little more in taxes to "help" those that couldn't handle their new freedom. At that point it is infringing on the rights of others.
People should have the choice to choose what is right for them up until that choice infringes on the rights of others.
Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:52 am to wackatimesthree
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You potheads are so fricking stupid.
I'm a recovering alcoholic, and haven't touched weed since college.
You idiots that sit there and fight left and right about how weed is this evil thing that will destroy this country, yet go to the liquor store each night are hilarious.
And hypocrites. And will statistically die far younger than a "pothead"
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