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re: Trump Poised To Try To Remove Noncitizens From Census
Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:03 am to TigerMyth36
Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:03 am to TigerMyth36
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He can try again. It also gives states electoral votes they shouldn't have. It is real simple. You aren't here legally, your vote doesn't count, you should not count for House seats or electoral seats. Simple as that. Anyone who disagrees sucks cock by choice.
Fully agree
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:04 am to CountryVolFan
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The amendment already considered members of other nations (Indian Tribes) and determined to exclude them from the count.
Specifically.
This actually hurts the argument you're making, because if this was meant to apply generally, there was no reason to apply that exclusion specifically only to Indian Tribes.
The fact that they felt it necessary to specifically exclude these particular non-citizens implies that they didn't feel the exclusion applied to other non-citizens.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:06 am to Night Vision
This would be one the highest accomplishments of any president in the last 100 years. Period .
Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Then we need to amend the Constitution I reckon
More wrong legal takes from SFP.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:16 am to imjustafatkid
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More wrong legal takes from SFP.
Uh...no.
Did you not read the clear wording of the 14th Amendment?
Do you not know our history and non-citizens have been counted in the census since Day 1 of this Constitutional era?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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section 2 of the 14th Amendment
Should not the common understanding of the language at the time of the legislation be a ruling factor in interpreting intent?
For instance - suppose in the next century, there became a device that would allow teleporting large groups of people from one site to another.
And further suppose that some high-falutin' group of vile politicians decided they could skew the census to their liking by teleporting millions of people from state to state to give enormous congressional power to those particular states.
Under what analysis - using your stated 'logic' with the definition of 'persons' could that be ruled unconstitutional? === or at least illegal. Certainly you'd agree that would be 'unconstitutional' under any understanding we have today of what the 14th amendment 'really meant' - where do you draw the the line wrt 'common sense' - or - are we at the peril of future degradations of the words in the language?
Common sense says that there was NO WAY the authors of the 14th amendment would agree with the current Democrat 'interpretation' of 'persons subject to the jurisdiction thereof' wording of the 14th. The capacity for millions of aliens to perform a 'quick visit and drop a kid' was just as (or at least arguably) improbable a consideration by the authors as in my speculation wrt scientific possibilities in the next century.
btw - what is the official interpretation of 'common law'? === is it anything other than "inarguable common sense?"
Posted on 6/27/25 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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This actually hurts the argument you're making, because if this was meant to apply generally, there was no reason to apply that exclusion specifically only to Indian Tribes. The fact that they felt it necessary to specifically exclude these particular non-citizens implies that they didn't feel the exclusion applied to other non-citizens.
Not really… that’s a non sequitur.
The 14th didn’t contemplate a permanent non citizen resident alien population.
To the extent that it did, Indian tribes, it excluded them from the count.
The 14th is a Reconstruction Amendment, so it is post slavery and 3/5 compromise. This is Enumeration anew. The clear intent is that everyone that ‘lives’ within a states boarders do not necessarily count for apportionment.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 11:08 am to CountryVolFan
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The 14th didn’t contemplate a permanent non citizen resident alien population.
Irrelevant. Political exigency doesn't change the Constitution.
That's why we have an amendment process.
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that’s a non sequitur.
Not at all. Why did they feel the need to specify one group of non-citizens? Were they unaware of any other country that could supply them?
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The clear intent
Living Constitution time.
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everyone that ‘lives’ within a states boarders do not necessarily count for apportionment.
Sure, but only if they're Indians.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 11:10 am to ChineseBandit58
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For instance - suppose in the next century, there became a device that would allow teleporting large groups of people from one site to another.
And further suppose that some high-falutin' group of vile politicians decided they could skew the census to their liking by teleporting millions of people from state to state to give enormous congressional power to those particular states.
Again, we have an amendment process to deal with changes in society that weren't contemplated at the time of writing.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 11:12 am to Night Vision
That'll cost the dems a few House seats. It is absurd to count illegals and temporary visitors as part of the Census that affects apportionment and money allocation.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, we have an amendment process to deal with changes in society that weren't contemplated at the time of writing.
Which has been only used once in the past half-century (and was a dug-up old amendment pending ratification on Congressional pay increases).
No one wants to take the time to go through that process anymore.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 11:36 am to Wally Sparks
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Which has been only used once in the past half-century
And?
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No one wants to take the time to go through that process anymore.
So you want to let the DEMs have the power to overrule the 2A with an EO when they win the Presidency next time?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:08 pm to Night Vision
If we remotely get some of these common sense things done for voting, “in-person paper ballot”, correct the census etc…
The Dems won’t win another election for a very long time.
Just with how the black folks, especially men have turned on them & now they are truly WOKE.
I’ve got a ton of brother friends and acquaintances and even when traveling to other cities & it’s a larger % of blacks that love Trump.
And it’s not even just Trump now, but he opened their eyes & see how much the Democratic Plantaion Owners are have fricked them over, and they created the KKK, destroyed the family unit, pushed drugs in their communities, created the welfare state and poor education system on purpose to keep them down.
They’ve been doing it to us all to a certain extent, but they targeted the brothers real hard & it worked. Now they waking up & pissed. The illegal invasion is another deal that woke up the brothers.
The Dems won’t win another election for a very long time.
Just with how the black folks, especially men have turned on them & now they are truly WOKE.
I’ve got a ton of brother friends and acquaintances and even when traveling to other cities & it’s a larger % of blacks that love Trump.
And it’s not even just Trump now, but he opened their eyes & see how much the Democratic Plantaion Owners are have fricked them over, and they created the KKK, destroyed the family unit, pushed drugs in their communities, created the welfare state and poor education system on purpose to keep them down.
They’ve been doing it to us all to a certain extent, but they targeted the brothers real hard & it worked. Now they waking up & pissed. The illegal invasion is another deal that woke up the brothers.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:09 pm to Tunasntigers92
quote:Flashback: courts prevented the "citizen or non-citizen" question on last census.
Non-citizens were a part of the census?
(SCOTUS, 2020)
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:10 pm to Night Vision
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President Trump tried to end the practice during his first term, but President Biden overturned his predecessor’s policy before it was implemented. Now, buoyed by red state attorneys general and Republican legislators, the second Trump administration is determined “to clean up the census and make sure that illegal aliens are not counted,” White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller said last month.
Likewise, incarcerated people should not be counted either.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we have an amendment process to deal with changes in society that weren't contemplated at the time of writing.
SO - in my far-out hypothetical, you are perfectly at ease with Democrats a century from now teleporting a million people from state to state just ahead of the census taker arrival and therefore give the Democrats 50 million excess population to enhance their congressional power.
The current situation is no different - at least 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS are now in 'residence' within the USA - They are already influencing the congressional makeup representing a dozen states.
And in those states their corrupt legislatures are allowing them to VOTE - but all that is perfectly OK with you because you like the outcome of the fraud.
It's all a board game to you -
btw - do you have any children?? are you concerned with the political meat grinder that awaits them with (this current strain of) Democrats in control?
I have 3 great-grandsons - I fear for their future - nothing done will affect me in my remaining time here, but THEY may have to live in the dysphoria democrats desire.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:32 pm to Tunasntigers92
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Back in the day some only counted for 3/5ths.
As a compromise for the libs we should bring this back, but at a lower ratio.
Illegals still count in the census but only as 1/5.
Do it just for the sky screaming impact.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:35 pm to Night Vision
This should've never been allowed to happen in the first place. HoR are there to represent the CITIZENRY of their district. Giving more power in congress to districts with large illegal immigrants who are not supposed to vote, actually removes power from those in other districts nation wide.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The second Trump admin is likely going to lead to a lot of important case law regarding the 14A, ultimately.
You’ll get downvoted, largely because you are who you are, but you’re right.
And, it’s a good thing there will be these rulings. That writers and voters for that amendment never considered the cases of today.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:40 pm to Night Vision
Get these swarthy illegals the frick off our beautiful census rolls 
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