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re: Trump lawyers respond to articles of impeachment: 'Constitutionally invalid'
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:31 pm to texashorn
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:31 pm to texashorn
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Holy shite, I would be worried if they’ve gone this erroneous route.
Trump’s lawyers are attacking the Constitution, namely its sole power of impeachment to the House, the fact that it is not a criminal proceeding, and moreover, a frontal attack on the American grand jury system to which impeachment is analogous, whereby the accused is not afforded due process, doesn’t have the right of representation at the proceedings, and which further allows secret proceedings.
Wow.
They didn't bring forward known exculpatory evidence.
Get fricked.
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:39 pm to texashorn
It's amazing that you are supportive of what the dems did leading up to and including the signing of the articles of impeachment as legitimate. Wow, it really is an indictment on your own intellect, and how it might be impaired.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:52 pm to davyjones
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Well then explain why the Judiciary Committee in the House had lawyers over in federal court fighting for enforcement of subpoenas.
Because they were congressional subpoenas unrelated to the impeachment process. They were attached to possible criminal activities or civil law breaches.
An impeachment is neither criminal nor civil.
Edit: I'm going to head you off at the pass, here.
Not complying with a congressional subpoena of any nature is contempt of Congress.
I'm not sure whether that's a civil or criminal penalty, but in any case, it is under the purview of the courts.
Impeachment and the subsequent trial are not. It is entirely political.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:53 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I didn't say I supported it, I indicated it was legal. Can you grasp that?
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:30 pm to texashorn
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I appreciate the name-calling. It displays superior intellect.
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Doucheowitz and shite-stirring Starr are attacking the Constitution.
Errrrrr.... about that superior intellect??
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What rules were violated?
Funny you should ask. What law identifies “obstruction of Congress “? What laws at all were violated by Trump, which fall under “High Crimes and Misdemeanors “?
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:32 pm to texashorn
Democrats have been fighting in court for months to enforce a subpoena for McGahn to testify as part of the impeachment proceedings in Congress. They argue that McGahn's testimony is "central" to parts of the House committee's investigation into Trump, which is not yet complete even though the Democratic-led chamber passed two articles of impeachment against him last week.
CNBC
CNBC
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:36 pm to texashorn
quote:I have been trying to get them to grasp this distinction for years. I wish you luck.quote:I didn't say I supported it, I indicated it was legal. Can you grasp that?
It's amazing that you are supportive of what the dems did leading up to and including the signing of the articles of impeachment as legitimate. Wow, it really is an indictment on your own intellect, and how it might be impaired.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:42 pm to DMAN1968
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I bet your mother is smart enough to realize she should have made his dad pull out
FIFY
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:45 pm to davyjones
Not complying with a congressional subpoena carries a criminal or civil charge that can result in jail or fines.
Being impeached and found guilty is a political removal with no jail or fine.
Do you understand now?
Being impeached and found guilty is a political removal with no jail or fine.
Do you understand now?
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:52 pm to texashorn
The subpoena can be challenged under executive privilege. And in fact this one has.
The Dems were too impatient to wait for it to work through the courts and declared it “contempt of Congress” not to immediately roll over on something where precedent is on Trump’s side.
The Dems were too impatient to wait for it to work through the courts and declared it “contempt of Congress” not to immediately roll over on something where precedent is on Trump’s side.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:56 pm to texashorn
My friend, you said in no uncertain terms that the courts have no role to play, i.e. no authority or jurisdiction, within the impeachment process because "Congress has the sole power of impeachment." That's what you said.
I just provided you with solid evidence that contradicts your assertion and clearly shows the Judiciary Branch, i.e. the court system, does indeed have authority to become involved in the impeachment process, and theie judgments, rulings and orders are unquestionably legally enforceable for all parties involved.
I'll skip return snide remarks. I don't find it necessary in getting my point across.
I just provided you with solid evidence that contradicts your assertion and clearly shows the Judiciary Branch, i.e. the court system, does indeed have authority to become involved in the impeachment process, and theie judgments, rulings and orders are unquestionably legally enforceable for all parties involved.
I'll skip return snide remarks. I don't find it necessary in getting my point across.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 11:59 pm to teke184
I understand that. Trump's lawyers are acting like if they lose, they are going to take it to court. Which is laughable.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:00 am to Rebel
quote:I bet ole Tex will never answer this question directly.
So as long as the Senate doesn’t violate any rules, you will concede it is a fair process?
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:01 am to AggieHank86
Where do you practice?
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:02 am to davyjones
Is there a possible direct criminal or civil penalty for not complying with a subpoena? Yes, therefore it is justiciable.
Is there a possible direct criminal or civil penalty for impeachment and removal? No, therefore it is not justiciable.
Is there a possible direct criminal or civil penalty for impeachment and removal? No, therefore it is not justiciable.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:02 am to Floating Change Up
The Senate can do whatever it wants.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:12 am to Madking
Damn that’s strong
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:13 am to texashorn
I'll ask you again.....please explain why the House Judiciary Committee's lawyers initiated *impeachment* subpoena enforcement proceedings against the Trump administration in federal court.
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 12:14 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:16 am to texashorn
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Is there a possible direct criminal or civil penalty for not complying with a subpoena? Yes, therefore it is justiciable
It is possible for that to have a criminal penalty. It is also possible for those to be protected under executive privilege and carry 0 penalty. Dems skipped that part because they needed to pass articles immediately then they chose to delay for a month.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:34 am to davyjones
Let’s look at the overall picture, shall we?
Are you advocating for court intervention to have Trump’s impeachment invalidated?
Are you advocating for court intervention to have Trump’s impeachment invalidated?
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