re: Trump is on fire

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Just two weeks ago this board was crying about Maga betrayal and neocons

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I am with you and will also choose to not forget that.

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am with you and will also choose to not forget that.

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#Neverforget

Truth…

Yup it was all irrational emotion. I got the concern, I was concerned about another bullshite Mideast war, but people went high and to the right with that shite screaming about betrayal and Jews instead of just letting it happen and then making a judgement. The melt on here was something to behold and posters who asked for some sort of restraint were called “bootlickers”, “warmongers” and all kinds of crap. Wild

For Trump to finish what he has started, his successor (JDV) will have to win and extend the run for two more terms.

By then our economy will have ben reshaped, the world rewritten, and the issues of the day will been moved t new ones...

The Dem party may well not even survive.
Might have to die so a new party is reborn, or it will be rebuilt from within.

In another ten years most of the baby boomers will be gone.

That in itself will greatly change the world.

If this is a Fourth Turning, then we are not out of the woods yet.
But Trump is most definitely the Grey Champion.


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The Fourth Turning and the Gray Champion are concepts from the book The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy by William Strauss and Neil Howe, published in 1997. They are part of the authors' generational theory, which posits that history follows cyclical patterns driven by generational archetypes. Below is a concise explanation of both terms based on the book and related sources:

The Fourth Turning

The Fourth Turning is the final phase of a roughly 80- to 100-year cycle called a saeculum, which consists of four generational "turnings," each lasting about 20-25 years. These turnings align with phases of human life (childhood, young adulthood, midlife, elderhood) and are characterized by distinct societal moods:

High: A period of strong institutions, collective optimism, and weakened individualism (e.g., post-WWII era, 1945–1963).

Awakening: A time of spiritual upheaval and challenges to the civic order (e.g., the 1960s–1980s counterculture).

Unraveling: A period of individualism, weakening institutions, and decaying civic order (e.g., 1980s–2000s).

Crisis (Fourth Turning): A tumultuous era of societal upheaval, where a catalyst event (e.g., the 2008 financial crisis) triggers major changes, leading to a climax that transforms society, often through conflict or sacrifice, and establishes a new social order. Strauss and Howe predicted the current Fourth Turning would begin around 2005 and peak around 2020, potentially lasting until 2030.

During the Fourth Turning, society faces existential challenges, and people unite to rebuild institutions, often at great cost. Historical examples include the American Revolution, the Civil War, and the Great Depression/World War II. The authors suggested potential modern catalysts like economic collapse, terrorism, or pandemics, with resolutions involving infrastructure investment or a "Next New Deal."

The Gray Champion

The Gray Champion is a symbolic figure introduced by Strauss and Howe, inspired by Nathaniel Hawthorne’s 1837 short story The Gray Champion from Twice-Told Tales. In the story, the Gray Champion is a mysterious, elderly Puritan figure who appears during a moment of crisis in 1689 Boston to rally the people against oppression, then vanishes. The character is loosely based on folklore about the "Angel of Hadley," a regicide judge from the English Civil War who allegedly aided colonists during King Philip’s War.

In The Fourth Turning, the Gray Champion represents an elder Prophet generation leader (or leaders) who emerges during the Crisis to guide society through adversity. Born shortly after the previous great crisis, these figures are principled, resolute, and often polarizing, inspiring through rhetoric rather than grand deeds. They combine traits of a "leader and saint" but are not necessarily morally good or universally admired.
Historical examples include:

American Revolution: Benjamin Franklin and Samuel Adams, who used diplomacy and fiery rhetoric to advance the cause.

Civil War: Abraham Lincoln, who led through division but remains controversial in some regions.

Great Depression/WWII: Franklin D. Roosevelt, who faced criticism for expanding government but guided the nation through crisis.
The Gray Champion is not always a single person; it can be a collective or symbolic force. Their role is to inspire and lead during the darkest moments of the Fourth Turning, often at the climax of the crisis, marking a turning point toward resolution.

Modern Interpretations and Speculation

Strauss and Howe suggested a new Gray Champion would emerge during the current Fourth Turning (circa 2008–2030). Various figures have been proposed, often based on the interpreter’s perspective:
Donald Trump: Some, like Jim Quinn, argue Trump’s polarizing leadership and appeal to "flyover country" make him a Gray Champion, akin to a modern firebrand like Samuel Adams. Others counter that his defeat in 2020 or divisive style disqualifies him.

Joe Biden: Some sources, like Business Insider, suggest Biden’s age, empathy, and infrastructure-focused policies align with the Gray Champion’s role in ushering a "Next New Deal."

Al Gore: Proposed by some for his prophetic environmental advocacy, though less prominent in recent crises.

Others: Figures like John McCain, Bernie Sanders, or even collective movements have been suggested, reflecting the theory’s flexibility and ambiguity.

Critics argue the Gray Champion concept is vague and unfalsifiable, allowing any prominent figure to be retrofitted into the role. The theory’s focus on Anglo-American history and bourgeois culture has also been criticized for ignoring broader societal dynamics, like the Second Great Awakening or non-elite movements.

Critical Perspective

While The Fourth Turning has a dedicated following and accurately predicted some aspects of social unrest (e.g., 2020 riots, COVID-19), its predictions are often broad, making them hard to disprove. The Gray Champion, in particular, can be applied to various leaders, which some see as a strength (flexibility) and others as a weakness (lack of specificity). The theory’s reliance on generational archetypes may oversimplify complex historical forces, and its narrative can be shaped to fit preconceived biases (e.g., Bannon’s use of it to frame Trump).

In summary, the Fourth Turning is a crisis phase in a cyclical historical pattern, and the Gray Champion is the elder leader(s) who emerges to guide society through it. Their identity in the current cycle remains debated, reflecting the theory’s interpretive nature. For further details, you can explore The Fourth Turning or related discussions on platforms like The Burning Platform or Medium

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Just two weeks ago this board was crying about Maga betrayal and neocons
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Wrong! That was last week.

Trump is definitely above Reagan

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Opposite of Biden and Obama ineffective slugs

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ah but they were very effective. At sabotaging our country. Shitstains of the highest order, along with all the complicit progs