re: Trump has brought us the lightest federal workforce in American history

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Since you completely discount the power and influence of voting, I guess you'd be o.k. with taking the vote away from women again.

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Voting for or against someone doesn't mean the voters controls anything.

Politicians lie to voters constantly to get elected.

Considering men make up most of the government and always have, disenfranchising women wouldn't suddenly make our male leaders act differently.

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When you throw in the fact Trump 2.0 has shut down illegal immigration to a drip and reduced the number of federal employees by +400k......that's what every MAGA/America First patriot voted for.


No, no, Trump isn’t doing congress job for them. making cuts in workforce and fraud throughout the system doesn’t count.

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I could make a list of legislative items that a majority of Americans agree on, like congressional term limits, a balanced budget amendment, ending birthright citizenship, election integrity/security, etc. and it doesn't matter what the people want, the DC Uniparty Congress will do what is beneficial to preserve and enhance the corrupt political system in DC.

What has this really done?

Satisfied people because it comes off as punitive to a group of people that’s primarily democrat?


Meanwhile, the MIC is getting even more glazed than past administrations and I don’t even need to mention the debt. So, what has this accomplished?

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When I said voters didn't vote for reducing the federal workforce

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That's not what you said. You said that voters—and I quote—"had nothing to do with it."

Which, obviously, they did, since they elected the people who did decide to do it.

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Or are you saying that when voters elected the candidate who campaigned on no more wars in the Middle East, they actually voted for a war in Iran?

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Nope. I'm saying that they used poor judgement electing a guy who was obviously only telling them what they wanted to hear (and I told them that at the time), that his actions during his first term should have made that obvious, and shame on them for being dumb enough to buy it.

I'm also saying that we have a representative form of government. I'm not aware of any country in which the citizens vote individually on every issue brought before their governing bodies, so acting like that is some significant aspect of reducing the federal workforce with respect to voters and politicians is asinine.

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I didn't say voting doesn't matter.

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Then tell me how it does matter, and also how much it maters. Does it matter a lot, or just a little?

Pretty sure there were fewer from 1787 to 1860

another win for Donald

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What good is this if our deficits are surpassing $2T?

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A valid question.

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We also aren’t having the apocalypse that the Dems insist would happen if there were a massive downsizing of the fed work force.

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For dems, it is a big loss since about 90% of federal employees are dems and give them money.

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Voters had nothing to do with the decision to fire any employees.

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But they had everything to do with electing the people who made the decision. And the people who did told the voters they would if elected.

So are you saying the voters are not responsible to any degree for what the people they elect do? Even though firing the employees was part of the platform that the people they elected ran on?

If you're going to continue with this narrative, I'm sure you can see where it leads.

If there is no connection between electing certain people and what those people do—even when they told you they were going to do it during the campaign—then we really don't have any kind of representative government at all, and women might as well give up the vote again because there is no connection between voting and policy anyway.

You can't have it both ways.

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Why do you want me to talk about this?

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Because at the heart of this pedantic, asinine denial of voter responsibility is a point that I believe you want to have both ways so badly you can hardly stand it.

Either voting = representation and we are responsible for whom we elect and to at least some degree, what they do, or not.

If not, there's no point in having the vote and it's not valuable or useful to have.

If so, then stop denying it.

Furthermore, every time you say, "Men are responsible for XYZ circumstance because they were in power for umpty thousands of years," and I point out that that is a deliberately disingenuous statement because it is intentionally intended to generalize all bad things to men when the truth is that over 99% of men had no power and made no decisions whatsoever, you deny that reasoning.

So in addition to being asinine and pedantic, this narrative is also highly hypocritical coming from you.

That's why.