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re: TRUMP has a point. Why aren't states turning over information to the Voter Fraud Panel?
Posted on 7/1/17 at 4:48 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 7/1/17 at 4:48 pm to Seldom Seen
Here's one of several reasons why this is dumb:
Trump voter-fraud panel’s data request a gold mine for hackers, experts warn
Trump voter-fraud panel’s data request a gold mine for hackers, experts warn
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Technical experts say the voter data that the commission wants to assemble would quickly become a single treasure trove for cyber criminals and foreign intelligence services. Identity thieves could use information such as addresses, birth dates and the last four digits of Social Security numbers for digital impersonations, and foreign spies could use it to fill out dossiers on Americans they hope to blackmail.
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Security specialists told POLITICO they were especially perturbed about Kobach’s claim that the commission would publish all the voter data it receives. While much of the data the commission requested — including addresses and dates of birth — is already publicly available in states or from third-party vendors, states restrict access to that information in various ways.
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Posted on 7/1/17 at 4:50 pm to Seldom Seen
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Don't they want to look into where there maybe voter fraud? I guess the answer maybe a little too obvious for everyone.
Kris Kobach is the current Kansas Republican secretary of state, and the vice chair of Trump's voting commission. He is the Joe McCarthy of voting fraud.
Trump was a dolt in selecting a zealot like him to co-chair the voting commission.
States that are refusing to turn over voter rolls are claiming that the requested information is beyond what is required to conduct the intended investigation. Several are quoting state law that prohibits turning over parts of the requested information.
Oh, by the way, one of the states that has refused to turn over the voter information is KANSAS.
ETA: How smart is Kobach to include on the list of requested information, information that is prohibited by law from being released BY HIS OWN STATE.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 7/1/17 at 4:51 pm to a want
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25 states are refusing to do so because the data they are asking for exceeds what is necessary to perform the investigation.
If a subordinate entity is being audited, that entity is not entitled to dictate what can be audited.
Can you imagine if a taxpayer being audited would tell the IRS, "You don't need that information to complete your audit"?
You are being intellectually dishonest or stupid take your pick.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 4:52 pm to Seldom Seen
Honestly, I think 2 things about this.
1)The sheer number and diversity of states refusing is a pretty good indication that the commission is over reaching.
2)Many states know their shite is out of order but flat don't care(or worse, facilitate).
Unfortunately, getting to #2 is going to be a challenge which is why securing the border is the primary goal.
1)The sheer number and diversity of states refusing is a pretty good indication that the commission is over reaching.
2)Many states know their shite is out of order but flat don't care(or worse, facilitate).
Unfortunately, getting to #2 is going to be a challenge which is why securing the border is the primary goal.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 4:58 pm to Champagne
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Can you imagine if a taxpayer being audited would tell the IRS, "You don't need that information to complete your audit"?
You are being intellectually dishonest or stupid take your pick.
State laws prohibit the release of some of the superfluous information requested. And the states win will if they go to court to block releasing the information.
You can bet your next paycheck that the voter commission won't get that information.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:05 pm to Seldom Seen
The dirty little secret that insiders don't want you to know is that voting has and always will have some fraud involved. Both sides do it but one party has been better at it than the other.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:12 pm to VOLhalla
Technical experts say the voter data that the commission wants to assemble would quickly become a single treasure trove for cyber criminals and foreign intelligence services. Identity thieves could use information such as addresses, birth dates and the last four digits of Social Security numbers for digital impersonations, and foreign spies could use it to fill out dossiers on Americans they hope to blackmail.
Oh, bullshite. Anyone with the sophistication to do this already has access to all this information. Your SSN and birthdate are probably on dozens of cyber databases already. Try another straw dog.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:15 pm to AU_Right
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I am going with 3 million plus illegals voted...unless proven otherwise...and all those who have mocked Trump's claim can stfu now.
I don't know how many votes were illegitimate but you better believe it was a significant number. I would not be surprised if the total number of illegal votes from CA, Il, and NY amounted to 500k-1 million.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:21 pm to Seldom Seen
Folks don't trust the administration. This isn't hard.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:34 pm to Seldom Seen
Its pretty obvious. When some of the lazy BS the states do and dont follow through with shows that there is potential for fraud. Heads will roll.
This isnt about public anything. Its about CYA.
This isnt about public anything. Its about CYA.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:48 pm to Seldom Seen
Why hasn't Trump released his tax returns? Afraid to uncover something? It goes both ways.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 5:57 pm to a want
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25 states are refusing to do so because the data they are asking for exceeds what is necessary to perform the investigation
What data is that?
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:00 pm to AU_Right
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am going with 3 million plus illegals voted...unless proven otherwise...and all those who have mocked Trump's claim can stfu now.
Thats not how things work, moron. Going around making claims for people to disprove is possibly one of the biggest wastes of time that I've ever heard of.
Facts have to be proven. You dont just say its fact until disproven. Honestly don't even know why I'm wasting my time.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:22 pm to Seldom Seen
Why aren't states turning over information to the Voter Fraud Panel?
Because what that information may show would make a case for voter ID, which they don't want any more than a crack dealer wants to live next to a cop.
Because what that information may show would make a case for voter ID, which they don't want any more than a crack dealer wants to live next to a cop.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:26 pm to TBoy
Elections are not Federal. They are state run.
I thought you R's all believed in states rights?
I thought you R's all believed in states rights?
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:31 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Frick turning over voting records on all of us to the fed. What happened to small government republicans?
You're confused.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:34 pm to Dale51
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Why aren't states turning over information to the Voter Fraud Panel?
Because what that information may show would make a case for voter ID, which they don't want any more than a crack dealer wants to live next to a cop.
Or maybe because it violates states rights and people's privacy. Maybe Trump is using it as a distraction.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:40 pm to JuiceTerry
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Frick turning over voting records on all of us to the fed. What happened to small government republicans?
You're still confused.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:41 pm to Ebbandflow
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Thats not how things work, moron. Going around making claims for people to disprove is possibly one of the biggest wastes of time that I've ever heard of.
Facts have to be proven. You dont just say its fact until disproven. Honestly don't even know why I'm wasting my time.
Hey dickhead, what are the dem's doing right now in regards to the Trump/Russia whatever you want to call it. besides a joke. They're calling it an investigation, but the have to find the crime first. Where do you find "facts" from that?...moron. Quit wasting my time...you god damn cocksucker.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:41 pm to VOR
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for something that likely isn't that large of a problem.
What are you basing that claim on?
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