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Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:46 pm to Mudminnow
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Why hasn't Trump released his tax returns? Afraid to uncover something? It goes both ways.
Lame.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:50 pm to Ebbandflow
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Or maybe because it violates states rights and people's privacy
The state is composed of the people of that state. What do the people want? One or two or more political popes and priests pontificating is not the same as expressing the rights of the people in any given state. What do they want?
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:52 pm to GvilleChompers
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Elections are not Federal. They are state run.
I thought you R's all believed in states rights?
Most of the new ones are nationalist authoritarians. Interesting breed
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:52 pm to Dale51
More on Trumps pick Kobach and why this is total BS.
But remember Trimp hires "the best people"
Party over country is a dangerous road to travel
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Voting is the cornerstone of our democracy and the fundamental right upon which all our civil liberties rest. Americans deserve a champion who will fight to protect and expand voting rights, not suppress them. Kris Kobach is not that person and here are the top reasons why:
Kris Kobach believes that President Trump won the popular vote, once you subtract “three to five million illegal votes” cast in the 2016 presidential election. This theory, first pushed out by President Trump and then parroted by Kobach, does not hold water. Academic and legal experts, election administrators and officials, and even leaders of the Republican Party have all rejected this claim.
Kris Kobach has wreaked havoc on voting rights in Kansas.
In September 2016, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, in a unanimous opinion by Judge Jerome Holmes, an appointee of George W. Bush, found that Kobach had engaged in “mass denial of a fundamental right” by blocking 18,000 motor voter applicants from registering to vote in Kansas. The ACLU’s Voting Rights Project has sued him four times, and Kobach lost all four cases in 2016.
Kris Kobach says that there are lots of non-citizens voting. He just can’t produce any evidence. But don’t just take our word for it, hear it from the courts:
In May 2017, U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson, appointed by George W. Bush, found that Kobach had “scant evidence of noncitizen voter fraud.”
In October 2016, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit described Kobach’s theory of Kansas’ widespread problem of noncitizens voting as “pure speculation.”
In September 2016, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said that Kobach had “precious little record evidence” of noncitizen voting.
Kobach is the chief architect of the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck program, a notoriously flawed system which Kobach admits generates “a significant number” of “false positives” when trying to find people registered to vote in more than one state. A recent study found that Crosscheck “would eliminate about 200 registrations used to cast legitimate votes for every one registration used to cast a double vote.” And according to The Washington Post, Kobach “examined 84 million votes cast in 22 states to look for duplicate registrants. In the end 14 cases were referred for prosecution, representing 0.00000017 percent of the votes cast.”
Kobach has a secret voting plan. He showed it to Donald Trump but doesn’t want the public to see it. Last November, Kobach was notoriously photographed carrying documents into a meeting with then-President-Elect Trump, which appeared to reference a proposal to change the federal motor-voter law. The ACLU sought those documents in connection with litigation against Kobach over his office’s violations of the motor-voter law, but Kobach’s lawyers denied they even existed.
In April 2017, U.S. Magistrate James O’Hara blasted Kobach for engaging in “word-play meant to present a materially inaccurate picture of the documents,” and ordered Kobach to turn them over. The ACLU has now received those documents, but Kobach continues to claim that they are “confidential” and cannot be shared with the media or the general public.
Kris Kobach isn’t just a threat to voting rights.
Kobach co-authored S.B. 1070, Arizona’s infamous racial profiling law from 2010, which required local law enforcement to demand the papers of anyone they suspected of being in the country illegally. The law prompted a nationwide outcry and economic boycott, and the ACLU fought it in the courts for years. The Supreme Court and the lower courts either blocked or drastically limited all of its major provisions. The anti-immigrant bill gave rise to several copycat bills in other states, including Alabama’s HB56 — which Kobach also helped to draft. The ACLU and allies defeated those laws in the courts as well, exposing the fact that Kobach’s legislation was built on a foundation of legal error.
In 2010, Kobach assisted in drafting a bill, designed to end the constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship for any child born in the United States. That bill was too extreme to gain any traction even among the legislatures that had adopted Kobach’s reprehensible racial profiling laws.
Kobach serves as counsel to the Immigration Law Reform Institute, the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which the Southern Poverty Law Center has listed as a hate group since 2007. SPLC has written extensively about Kobach’s role in advancing a nativist agenda.
In 2012, Kobach compared homosexuality to drug abuse and polygamy. During his failed 2004 congressional campaign, he accused LGBTQ+-rights groups like the Human Rights Campaign of promoting “homosexual pedophilia.
But remember Trimp hires "the best people"
Party over country is a dangerous road to travel
Posted on 7/1/17 at 6:56 pm to thetigerman
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Everyone sees that this is nothing more than a giant voter-suppression campaign.
Candidate for dumbest post of the year?
Posted on 7/1/17 at 7:02 pm to imjustafatkid
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Everyone sees that this is nothing more than a giant voter-suppression campaign.
Candidate for dumbest post of the year?
Irony.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 7:05 pm to AU_Right
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They're calling it an investigation, but the have to find the crime first. Where do you find "facts" from that?...moron. Quit wasting my time...you god damn cocksucker.
I cant waste your time for you, Fran. There is evidence that the Russians meddled in our election even Trump knows that. Several members of Trumps team were found to have contact with Russian agents. Then Trump got himself investigating when he fired Comey for the way he was handling it and said the pressure's been taken off of him now. Nothing's going to come of it probably but an investigation is certainly appropriate.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 7:20 pm to Ebbandflow
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Nothing's going to come of it
Russia meddles with us 24/7...including elections. This was no different. Obama new about it and did nothing...except spy on Trumps team. Trump had zero ties to Russia and everyone knows it.
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"Going around making claims for people to disprove is possibly one of the biggest wastes of time that I've ever heard of."
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"Facts have to be proven. You dont just say its fact until disproven. Honestly don't even know why I'm wasting my time."
Same shite...if not worse.
Last I looked I had over 50 upvotes so maybe you're in the minority on the issue.
This post was edited on 7/1/17 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 7/1/17 at 7:48 pm to Ebbandflow
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Irony
OMLandshark alter?
Posted on 7/1/17 at 8:31 pm to AU_Right
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Last I looked I had over 50 upvotes so maybe you're in the minority on the issue.
Im in the minority on this board? Imagine that
Posted on 7/1/17 at 8:39 pm to Ebbandflow
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Im in the minority on this board? Imagine that
I'm sorry.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 9:16 pm to AU_Right
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Last I looked I had over 50 upvotes so maybe you're in the minority on the issue.
And we all know this board is representative of the nation as a whole on nearly every issue.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 9:54 pm to BamaAtl
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And we all know this board is representative of the nation as a whole on nearly every issue.
To be honest with you, this is where I get most of my political news. Someone usually finds the latest stories and posts them before I have time to find them, but the libs are outnumbered on here so...yeah, I know.
This post was edited on 7/2/17 at 8:29 am
Posted on 7/1/17 at 9:56 pm to AU_Right
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To be honest with you, this is where I get my political news.
You should attempt to do better than that. This is not a good source of news, unless you consider Breitbart and InfoWars credible.
If so, well, you're already deep into denial.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 10:35 pm to BamaAtl
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deep into denial.
Breitbart and InfoWars, uh..no..Rush and Levin.
Breitbart is more credible than the NYT or WaPo, but I only read if linked or on Drudge.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 10:37 pm to BamaAtl
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And we all know this board is representative of the nation as a whole on nearly every issue.
Based on the election trends since Obama took office, this seems to be an accurate assessment.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 10:41 pm to a want
A want admits 3 million illegals voted.
Posted on 7/1/17 at 11:39 pm to AU_Right
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I'm sorry.
Dont be. I dont choose to be in an echo chamber where a bunch of people that agree with me upvote and then I believe im more right because of it.
Posted on 7/2/17 at 12:45 am to Bullethead88
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State laws prohibit the release of some of the superfluous information requested. And the states win will if they go to court to block releasing the information.
If the info is superfluous than I agree with the states and with you, which is a miracle, since you are wrong 90 percent of the time.
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