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Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:48 pm to Bunk Moreland
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That is something I don't understand. Did he bless them as declassified in some way before he left office?
He doesn’t have to bless them. As the President he can declassify anything anyway he chooses. He has that sole authority and does not need a committee to do it. Hell if he wanted to he could wipe his arse with the document as his method of declassification.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:48 pm to Joeybd
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Hey gooberhead, IF anything is declassified, there is a paper trail for it. None exists for the traitor.
WRONG, Presidential Records Act says if he so much as thinks its declassified then it is. He doesnt have to report it to anyone.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:49 pm to GumboPot
This site is full of idiots
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:49 pm to Joeybd
Some of the left-leaning independent types have been trashing that law for years.
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Glenn Greenwald Retweeted
System Update
@SystemUpdate_
The Espionage Act of 1917—under which Donald Trump is currently being indicted—is a draconian law that has been cynically weaponized against whistleblowers and journalists for years, with cases skyrocketing under the Obama Administration.
From Woodrow Wilson to Julian Assange, it’s essential to understand how this law was transformed from a repressive wartime measure to the attack on freedom it is today
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Matt Taibbi
@mtaibbi
The Espionage Act is insidious because the government can essentially assert a crime into existence, by arguing what constitutes “information respecting the national defense” and what constitutes “injury to the United States.” Their record on these characterizations isn’t good.
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Caitlin Johnstone
@caitoz
Claiming someone "violated the Espionage Act" is just meaningless nonsense when the law is so vague and broad and so inconsistently applied and is entirely up to the interpretations of prosecutors. Obama declined to prosecute Assange while Trump chose to using the same evidence.
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:49 pm to pankReb
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Did he declassify them before or after the end of his presidency?
Well the memo for all the declassifications of crossfire hurricane documents is posted in this thread already.
What other "classified" documents unrelated to crossfire hurricane are there?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:49 pm to TBoy
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:50 pm to CelticDog
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there is a recording of him 6 months after lost the election fooling around with war plans and telling the other person that the doc is still classified.
Amazing. Where’s the part where he opened it and showed it to them?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:51 pm to boosiebadazz
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Man, I think you’ve cracked the case. Daddy should hire you.
As a renowned southern university law grad , boozie can't reconcile the reality that the pinnacle of his profession is irredeemable trash.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:51 pm to FlexDawg
Right. We know he went through the trouble to actually declassify Crossfire Hurricane related documents….
But did he bother to do the same for anything else? If not, he’s probably in some trouble.
But did he bother to do the same for anything else? If not, he’s probably in some trouble.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:51 pm to GumboPot
Guess you haven't heard. DOJ is the 4th branch of government that presides over all the other branches. Just ask them.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:51 pm to GumboPot
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What other "classified" documents unrelated to crossfire hurricane are there?
This alludes to my next question… Are the documents that Trump is being indicted for all relevant to crossfire hurricane? Or are there documents related to anything else?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:52 pm to GumboPot
The Iran docs would not be related to crossfire hurricane.
My understanding is that under the Espionage Act (which I think in itself is borderline Unconstitutional at best), National Defense documents even if "declassified":
Must be returned immediately on request, or you are violating federal law
and
Cannot be shared with anyone else that wouldn't have the original clearance for them
My understanding is that under the Espionage Act (which I think in itself is borderline Unconstitutional at best), National Defense documents even if "declassified":
Must be returned immediately on request, or you are violating federal law
and
Cannot be shared with anyone else that wouldn't have the original clearance for them
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:52 pm to riccoar
That's declassification of info about Crossfire Hurricane. The indictment references "war plans" and a map.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:53 pm to GumboPot
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Trump declass'd everything
You are one hopelessly stupid motherfricker if you think Trump had the authority to declassify military attack plans just so he could show them off to a few people who came by his office to suck his cock.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:53 pm to TigerDoc
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That's declassification of info about Crossfire Hurricane. The indictment references "war plans" and a map.
It seems as if this is largely being ignored
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:53 pm to boosiebadazz
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What documents and what evidence do you have they’re declassified?
Crossfire hurricane declass doc already posted in this thread.
Are there other classified docs other than crossfire hurricane docs that the DOJ is talking about?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:54 pm to GumboPot
quote:The goal, as always, and as others predicted, is the "obstruction of justice" BS. That's how they get you. There should be more risk on the part of the accuser in many cases, where lying about it should get you and everyone knowingly involved punished three times as harshly as the accused would've been. Should be this way for rape, sexual harassment, and obstruction of justice (tied to the underlying charges).
But the indictment looks so strong. The indictment even says he had classified documents. But he declassified everything. Furthermore the federal government archivists moved those documents down to MAL.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:54 pm to GumboPot
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Are there other classified docs other than crossfire hurricane docs that the DOJ is talking about?
It sounds like the war documents that are actually unrelated to crossfire hurricane is what the DOJ is talking about
Posted on 6/9/23 at 2:54 pm to GumboPot
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This is the key question that has me the most confused about the entire matter.
Well, we know 2 things. One, he definitely declassified all documents relative to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. He has shown his executive order. That order did not mention any other classified documents.
And we know that there is a recording where he shows a classified document that is not related to Crossfire Hurricane, to members of his staff and a writer of a book on Trump, and he states that he didn't declassify it.
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