re: To those worried about gas prices

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I don’t believe a word out of his mouth for obvious reasons. But are you advocating he has a license to disregard the truth and lie to the American public because it’s his m.o.? Seriously? Have we sunk that fricking low.

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Part of the MAGA base has definitely sunk that low

Some people know him for the lying con man he is. Some people see it as a positive. Take what you will from that but I don't see it as an admirable trait.

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Some people know him for the lying con man he is.

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Yeah, they’re called Democrats. And y’all. The last time election wherein yall were gleefully blasting him with all this same bush league garbage and felt so confident - he skull drug yall. With the help of the millions of voters who found this same talk from y’all so repugnant, they went on ahead and voted for who they knew y’all wouldn’t vote.

This war really has put a massive damper on this administration. It was a colossal mistake.

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But are you advocating he has a license to disregard the truth and lie to the American public because it’s his m.o.?

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First of all, I just don't think the examples you're giving are exactly lying. They don't represent the truth—I agree with that. But I don't think the intent is to deceive like it was when, say, Bill Clinton lied about having sex in the WH.

I think the intent is to hype, not deceive.

I think the reason Trump is so effective with dictator-types is because he thinks just like them. Kim Jong Un or Vladimir Putin, for example. Those people live in a culture in which what you say means virtually nothing.

They say outrageous hyped-up shite all the time. Kim Jong Un will say he's going to destroy the United States, has done so repeatedly, as recently as 2024. No one pays it any attention and he doesn't expect them to. In their culture, they expect leaders to say outrageous stuff and no one pays any attention to it...it's what they are willing to do that matters.

Trump gets that, and he thinks that way too.

I don't know what your overall political orientation is, but that tends to really upset liberals because they (you, maybe?) are just the opposite. What matters to them is what people say, not what they do.

I just understand it for what it is. It's propaganda and Trump uses it like Kim Jong Un does.

Do I think it's o.k.? Oh, I would definitely prefer someone who walked softly but carried a big stick. Who didn't say much, but when he did, it mattered.

You don't have to be that experienced in life to know that the guy who talks the loudest is usually the weakest.

But that's a stylistic difference.

Am I concerned that Trump doesn't give accurate information about military operations? Not really. I don't know when you think you've gotten the straight dope on any significant American military operations, but not getting the truth on that is also just something I expect. Was happening long before Trump and will be happening long after, and it's not always a nefarious thing to do.

First of all, there is classified information that is relevant to those ops that you'll never know about. Ever.

They can't say something publicly that reveals that information.

Secondly, maybe we want ISIS or some other terrorist cell to think we blew Iran's nuclear capability to kingdom come last year as part of a deliberate misinformation strategy for audiences other than US citizens.

So no, it doesn't really keep me up at night. (Well, except to type this post).

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I think it goes without saying that Trump has faced some pretty ridiculous criticisms throughout his presidency and a lot of it should be mocked and ridiculed. But there is grounds for legitimate criticism here and those of you who mock it and cast off what they're criticizing seem to have caught a different variant of TDS.

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Correct. This isn't bitching about 2 scoops of ice cream. It's bitching about him starting a war in the Middle East that doesn't do anything to advance our interests.

How do know what does or doesn’t advance our interests, when it’s crystal clear that none of you know what out interests in that regard even are?


Im sensing another fallback “Israel is the only reason Trump started this war!!”

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that doesn't do anything to advance our interests.

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The response will be something along the lines of keeping Iran from getting nukes. Its a tired line and to believe it you have to ignore:

- that our intelligence showed that they weren't close to getting nukes and that stance was included in a testimony by our DNI to congress just a month before we went to war.

- that countries closer in reach to Iran who have a bigger problem with Muslim radicals invading them than we do took a look at what we were selling and said "nah we're not going to help you alleviate the NUCLEAR threat to us"

- our own government claims to have destroyed their nuclear program just months before

- The incredible timing coincidence with the Epstein files rollout becoming a shite show that was dominating the news cycle, and republican lawmakers were viewing unredacted files and vowing to make their discoveries transparent. Poof. Out of the news cycle once the operation began.

Dude, if you cant just brainstorm a few up, even if you disagree, then you may want to schedule some tests at your doctor. Oh, or y’all could just search the board for any of the countless times various examples and such have been provided. So hell no, nobody should give yall anything else until yall address all the ones previous.

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Permanent IRGC control of the SOH.

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We were told that Iran nor the IRGC controls the SOH
We've also obliterated their Navy, Air Force, and military infrastructure seven times according to Trump. Make this make sense.