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re: Those That Act Totally Outraged Over Internet Tweets From The President, Are They Serious?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump uses Twitter to attack people that he thinks oppose him on a daily basis
well yes if you're talking about THAT SPECIFICALLY? yes
we weren't talking about such specifics earlier
but like i said in another post, it's just a sign of how social media is changing communications...even up to the Presidency
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I have never seen anything close to it and neither have you
there have only been two "Twitter Presidents" so this statement is essentially just stating that fact
You're playing semantics now. I was talking about the severity of the outburst and the polarizing nature being turned up to 11.
You know what I meant but instead you chose to focus on the fact that politicians often turn on each other or turn public interest against their opponent in order to achieve something.
Clearly I was talking about the nature of hell it isn't constructive even in the slightest and not for the American people what should be his primary interest not just his voter base. Or maybe even the stability of America for his voter base.
He has essentially used Twitter as his sounding board to be an attack dog to defend his frail ego.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:25 am to victoire sécurisé
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Mouthing off doesn't make Trump tough
Your right. But the results have not all come in yet. We will see.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:28 am to Ebbandflow
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He has essentially used Twitter as his sounding board to be an attack dog to defend his frail ego.
He is also constantly under attacked by a totally biased media. A media where people have admitted that reporting anything positive about Trump "normalizes him" so they can't do it.
Why not call out the whole problem?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:34 am to victoire sécurisé
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We used to have a badass president that said, "speak softly and carry a big stick". Mouthing off doesn't make Trump tough. The might of the US military does. The only thing his foolish words do is make it more likely that we will have to prove it.
That's, like, your opinion man.
And you've missed the point, entirely. You guys keep melting over tweets, but your doomsday never comes.
To the contrary, we've hammered NK and marginalized Kim. Our position is as good as its ever been, and the NYT reported today that NK wants to negotiate.
I guess you would rather a president who sits silent as foreign leaders call him "monkey" or a "son of a whore". A president whose idea of diplomacy is delivering pallets of cash to theocrats who bankroll terrorists.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:35 am to BeeFense5
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He is also constantly under attacked by a totally biased media.
Why do people keep parroting this line? The media is not "totally biased". The media is fragmented. There is a segment of media for Trump loyalists, and there is a segment of media for Trump dissenters.
If you look hard enough, there is actually responsible journalism out there that does a good job at reporting both sides of an issue.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:41 am to Vacherie Saint
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Our position is as good as its ever been
Laughable statement. NK has nukes and a delivery method. They're now negotiating from a position of strength.
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who sits silent as foreign leaders call him...
Yes. That's exactly right. Restraint shows far more strength than lowering yourself to childish tweetstorms.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:41 am to Ebbandflow
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it isn't constructive
That’s an assertion.
Why is everyone so convinced that Trump is a poor negotiator?
Why don’t people see his use of Twitter in this way as part of his negotiation strategy?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:42 am to victoire sécurisé
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Why do people keep parroting this line?
How do you justify 90% negative coverage when every meaningful traditional metric for presidential success has improved under Trumps leadership? How do you explain the media wasting bandwidth on stories about his steak and ice cream eating habits or his soft drink consumption?
You almost had me thinking that you were an honest lefty.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:49 am to victoire sécurisé
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Laughable statement. NK has nukes and a delivery method. They're now negotiating from a position of strength.
Lol, they've been saying this for years. Ask yourself what's different today than it was under Obama. Now we have tougher sanctions, more cooperation from Russia and China, and even Japan has threatened to shoot down Kim's ballistic missiles. Again, NK just today is begging SK for a spot atthe negotiating table.
Everything that's changed re NK has been a positive for us. You are melting because no matter what Trump does, you will melt.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:52 am to Vacherie Saint
Trump is not a popular president. He lost the popular vote, so you can expect coverage to be more negative than usual.
His two main legislative agenda items were largely unpopular. Repeal & Replace couldn't get passed because certain provisions of ACA were too popular. His tax bill was easily and predictably attacked because it didn't balance the budget as promised and gave himself a nice tax break.
He has an ongoing feud with specific journalists and open contempt for journalists in general.
His political strategy is to make controversial public statements to excite his base, which is less than 15% of the overall population.
Why would you expect our profit-driven press coverage to be anything other than largely negative? Popular presidents get fluff pieces. Unpopular presidents get pummeled.
His two main legislative agenda items were largely unpopular. Repeal & Replace couldn't get passed because certain provisions of ACA were too popular. His tax bill was easily and predictably attacked because it didn't balance the budget as promised and gave himself a nice tax break.
He has an ongoing feud with specific journalists and open contempt for journalists in general.
His political strategy is to make controversial public statements to excite his base, which is less than 15% of the overall population.
Why would you expect our profit-driven press coverage to be anything other than largely negative? Popular presidents get fluff pieces. Unpopular presidents get pummeled.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:55 am to victoire sécurisé
The only people who are against the tax bill have to lie to justify their positions.
Who'd you vote for last fall?
Who'd you vote for last fall?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:59 am to Vacherie Saint
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Ask yourself what's different today than it was under Obama.
Verified capability to deliver a nuclear weapon to anywhere in the US. Next question.
I hope you are right about Trump's tactics and their success. If Trump can show that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, I'd happily give him credit.
His methods worry me, and it's not what I'd do if I were in his shoes. This Dirty Harry rhetoric might play well in the movies but not so great in real life.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:02 am to NIH
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The only people who are against the tax bill have to lie to justify their positions.
So the budget doesn't have a larger deficit?
So tax cuts won't expire for the middle class?
So supply-side economics isn't inflating the growth expectations yet again?
C'mon, man. Dissenting opinions aren't lies.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:04 am to victoire sécurisé
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. If Trump can show that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, I'd happily give him credit.
I think Trump openly antagonizing them illustrates they are no longer a nuclear threat
I have my criticisms of Trump, but I don't think he is insane enough to openly antagonize nuclear war
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:06 am to victoire sécurisé
A. You cannot start to care about the deficit after eight years of Obama
B. They aren't expiring anytime soon. That doesn't stop your ilk from pretending that they are expiring next year
C. Nope
Who'd you vote for?
B. They aren't expiring anytime soon. That doesn't stop your ilk from pretending that they are expiring next year
C. Nope
Who'd you vote for?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:07 am to victoire sécurisé
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So tax cuts won't expire for the middle class?
Don't be obtuse. This is politics 101.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:07 am to Salmon
I don't know why we are bothering with this alter
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:13 am to NIH
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A. You cannot start to care about the deficit after eight years of Obama
Nobody in politics cares about the deficit because spending cuts equate to Armageddon. So while I agree with your point, it does go both ways. At least people who vote conservative care, but our politicians certainly do not.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:13 am to victoire sécurisé
Are you a shill? Your posts are so full of debunked talking points, i dont know where to begin.
Trumps favorability is right around where Obama's was after his first year. Yet Obama enjoyed only 20% negative coverage. in spite of historically poor economic performance and the passing of two wildly unpopular bills.
And the tax cut polled poorly because the media lied about it constantly. It was revealed later that only 17% of Americans knew they were getting a tax cut. the funniest thing is that once it's popularity grew to 50%, the polling agencies stopped polling on it.
Every point you are trying to make, supports my argument better than yours.
Trumps favorability is right around where Obama's was after his first year. Yet Obama enjoyed only 20% negative coverage. in spite of historically poor economic performance and the passing of two wildly unpopular bills.
And the tax cut polled poorly because the media lied about it constantly. It was revealed later that only 17% of Americans knew they were getting a tax cut. the funniest thing is that once it's popularity grew to 50%, the polling agencies stopped polling on it.
Every point you are trying to make, supports my argument better than yours.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:18 am to victoire sécurisé
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Verified capability to deliver a nuclear weapon to anywhere in the US. Next question
And that capability precipitated under whom? What foreign policy style allowed this level of development to occur?
What president ignored warnings about Russian influence, failed to arm Ukraine, scrapped plans for our missile defense shield in eastern Europe, was soft on the Kim's, balked on his threats in Syria, and gave Iran the nuclear green light?
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