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re: This isn’t a great look for the pentagon. They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
Posted on 6/7/26 at 1:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 6/7/26 at 1:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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This isn’t a great look for the pentagon. They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
Which is a true statement.
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 1:45 pm to JoseyWalesLA
Not really my point. I'm not defending LDS beliefs. Just pointing out that, on this particular point, the poster might have confused them with the JWs.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 1:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Mormons, jeh witness are both, by definition, cults.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 1:58 pm to Kafka
quote:which one?
your cell mate
Posted on 6/7/26 at 2:39 pm to Rebel
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2) you should believe the apostles who were tasked with spreading his words.
3) you should believe Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I think it’s safe to accept their words as gospel.
Why should I believe them any more than I should believe what any reporter or columnist for any news agency writes?
I do believe that a person that fit the general historical description of Jesus did exist, around which a mythology was created. The same goes for King Arthur and Robin Hood.
The difference is that Constantine bought into the Jesus myth 300 years after the fact and had the power to make it the state religion of the Roman Empire. Kind of like how Henry VIII was able to convert England from Catholicism to Anglicanism - by force.
"What about Alexander the Great?" you ask. "He existed 350 years before Jesus. How do you know he was real?"
The life of Alexander the Great was much more well documented contemporarily that that of Jesus.
Very few people knew of the existence of Jesus until several hundred years after his death.
Alexander was well known all over the Mediterranean world during his lifetime, and there is much physical archeological evidence that remains even today.
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The Council of Nicaea is also a fact. It laid down the foundation of Christianity of which a belief in one God, (the father, son, & spirit)
Yeah, so what? That was the opinion of the Council. That does not make it fact.
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Mormons as a group lead a more Christ like life than many who belong to a Christian based faith.
But they are a "Christian based faith." The official name of their religion is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".
Which brings me back to my original point that anyone can call themself a "Christian". There is no human authority that can refute them.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 2:45 pm to Narax
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So you agree that
No, an Angel called Moroni (if he existed) was NOT just offering an interpretation of the New Testament?
I don't believe in the existence of angels, whether they are called Moroni, Michael, Gabriel or Lucifer. They are literary constructs.
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According to your logic, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, probably all religions are basically the same thing, and you haven't put much effort into telling them apart.
I understand both the differences and similarities.
I don't believe in the existence of supernatural beings.
Does that help?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 2:49 pm to Ebridg3
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Mormons, jeh witness are both, by definition, cults.
So are mainstream Christianity, Judaism, Wicca, Druids and Islam.
They are all organized, worship a central figure, and perform ritualistic ceremonies on a regular basis.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 2:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
They're not Christians.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 3:40 pm to TulsaSooner78
quote:Charles could have called his krewe “Manson Family in Christ”, and it wouldn’t make them Christian. And yes the Christian teachings coming from Jesus Christ himself says that these idiots aren’t Christian
Which brings me back to my original point that anyone can call themself a "Christian". There is no human authority that can refute them.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 3:48 pm to TulsaSooner78
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I understand both the differences and similarities.
Sigh, ego doesn't equate to understanding.
You fundamentally don't understand religion, you know Dunning Kruger is real, if you don't study something you won't understand how little of it you understand.
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I don't believe in the existence of supernatural beings.
That's your prerogative.
But it's like someone who doesn't believe basketball is a sport and gives it disdain acting like he is an expert on something about it.
You showed extreme ignorance in a topic you don't take seriously.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 3:51 pm to SuperSaint
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the Christian teachings coming from Jesus Christ himself says that these idiots aren’t Christian
Only if you believe that the New Testament was "inspired" by Jesus.
What if it wasn't? You are not the authority on that topic.
The Mormons, or anyone else, are at liberty to define what being a "Christian" means.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:00 pm to TulsaSooner78
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The Mormons, or anyone else, are at liberty to define what being a "Christian" means.
Again, you miss out completely on what it means for things to be the same, no one here has said Mormons don't call themselves Christians.
That's your confusion.
It' simply that they do not mean the same thing as Christians do.
They have defined that word completely different, and therefore are not the SAME as Christians.
Just like how Transwomen who define themselves as women define the term completely different than women.
So they are not the same, even if they use the same word.
I'm sure this all sounded better in your head.
But you missed entirely.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:01 pm to TulsaSooner78
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The difference is that Constantine bought into the Jesus myth 300 years after the fact and had the power to make it the state religion of the Roman Empire.
If you are going to pretend to be smart enough to craft a cohesive counter narrative, at least pretend to care about facts. Constantine did not make Christianity the state religion, he simply legalized the practice of Christianity as a religion through the Edict of Milan.
70 years later, via the Edict of Thessalonica, a Roman Triumvirate made Christianity the state religion.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
That’s because Mormons aren’t Christians.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Well Mormonism is polytheistic and not in any way Christian.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Because Mormons are not Christians!
Posted on 6/7/26 at 4:42 pm to drob
quote:I almost lost my Christianity creds in high school when I had to dress like a Mormon missionary to bag groceries.
Because Mormons are not Christians!
Posted on 6/7/26 at 5:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I have always considered Mormons to be different from Christians.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 5:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
My wife was raised in and completely rejected the Mormon faith. Her parents are Mormon. Her brother and sister also rejected the church when they left home. The parents know and it's no big deal, We married as Methodists, but as that got weird, we went non-denominational. The stories she's shared are of just pure cult weirdness. All of these stories in X just fully explain why she doesn't want us to move to Utah. We might need to in order to help her brother with her parents, which is cool with me, but I think she just has too many bad memories from there and despises the Mormon influence.
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