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re: This isn’t a great look for the pentagon. They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:30 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:30 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:OH NO
. They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
TRUMP WENT TOO FAR THIS TIME
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Because it's a cult.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:39 am to Mo Jeaux
So the doctrine developed 1,800 years later only after Smith’s previous 4 religions failed is more likely than the original organizers of the faith?
The council was a few 100 yeats later, but the beliefs had been in place since the resurrection.
The council was a few 100 yeats later, but the beliefs had been in place since the resurrection.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:40 am to Gusoline
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Because some random dude made it up 2000 years ago to justify doing anything you want cause you are forgiven?????
FIFY
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:50 am to Rebel
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So the doctrine developed 1,800 years later only after Smith’s previous 4 religions failed is more likely than the original organizers of the faith?
What? Why on earth would you think that this was what I was inferring? How odd.
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The council was a few 100 yeats later, but the beliefs had been in place since the resurrection.
Maybe, although it took a while before they were fully articulated, but yes, that’s my point. Pro-orthodox Christianity was just one form of many that was circulating in the first few hundred years of Christianity.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:54 am to Mo Jeaux
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what I was inferring?
You were implying not inferring. You made an implication which led me to make an inference.
At this point in our discussion It’s best for me to dip. We can’t have an open and honest debate if English isn’t your primary language or you don’t understand what words mean.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:57 am to Rebel
Oh frick off. 
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:59 am to JoseyWalesLA
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Great Post...
Ever notice Mormons never defend Joseph Smith and refute any of his troubled, chaotic BS life.
And we know Mormons read this site...but they never chime in...
The truth is chronicled by MANY independent sources and eyewitness.
Joseph Smith was a fraud
Oh a number here are obviously Mormons down voting away and pretending they aren't Mormons.
They won't admit that they are Mormons, they hide behind the claim that they are Christians to avoid admitting that they are Mormons in these threads.
There is not one Christian alive or dead that believes in the Book of Mormon.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:04 pm to Narax
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Do you need me to draw you a Venn Diagram?
You can draw an infinite number of diagrams. None of them will portray what I'm trying to explain to you, and what you are not comprehending.
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They disagree with Christians on the definition of Christianity. That is why they are different.
Correction. They disagree with other Christians on the definition of Christianity. Just like Catholics disagree with Protestants.
Just like Sunni disagree with Shia.
Just like the New Testament and the Quran disagree on the nature of Jesus.
What you are unable to grasp is that anyone can label themself a Christian. Anyone.
There is no governing authority to adjudicate that except Jesus himself.
Just because you claim that your book was "inspired" by Jesus, and theirs was not, does not make it so. And vice / versa. Those are beliefs, not facts, on both sides of the debate.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:09 pm to JoseyWalesLA
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Joseph Smith was a fraud
Joseph Smith was a flawed person. So was Mohammed. So was Paul. So were Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All people are flawed.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:10 pm to TulsaSooner78
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TulsaSooner78
Is a belief in the Bible a prerequisite to be a Christian?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:10 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Many Christians don't believe Catholics are Christians.
And vice / versa.
Each denomination thinks they are right.
That is the point I'm trying to make.
Only Jesus gets to decide who is a true follower of his, assuming that he is real.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:11 pm to Narax
Roger that.. they say things, we believe in Jesus and God as Savior.. oh by the way, they are separate and God was also a human like Jesus.
Oh BTW, God is married and lives on a planet with his Holy Wife.
Oh BTW, we believe accepting Jesus Christ isn't enough...work must be included to achieve one of their 3 heavens...kind of different than the New Testament.
But but but they say they believe in Jesus Christ and God. We are really Christian...NO WAY JOSE.
You can't say you believe in God and Jesus as savior and then have so many contradictions to that faith.
THEY ARE WACKO - caps caps caps
Oh BTW, God is married and lives on a planet with his Holy Wife.
Oh BTW, we believe accepting Jesus Christ isn't enough...work must be included to achieve one of their 3 heavens...kind of different than the New Testament.
But but but they say they believe in Jesus Christ and God. We are really Christian...NO WAY JOSE.
You can't say you believe in God and Jesus as savior and then have so many contradictions to that faith.
THEY ARE WACKO - caps caps caps
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:18 pm to TulsaSooner78
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You can draw an infinite number of diagrams. None of them will portray what I'm trying to explain to you, and what you are not comprehending.
Because you cannot link together a group that believes in the book of Mormon as the same as a group that does not.
You want that to be true, but it violates any sameness test.
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Correction. They disagree with other Christians on the definition of Christianity. Just like Catholics disagree with Protestants.
They disagree on interpretation, are you claiming that the Book of Mormon is "just an interpretation"
Do you actually believe an Angel called Moroni (didn't he "become an angel?") was just offering an interpretation of the New Testament?
Lunacy.
No different than a "Transwoman" telling women that just because he has a penis doesn't mean he's not the same as them.
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Just like Sunni disagree with Shia.
At an interpretive level.
Sunni and Shia Muslims use the exact same Holy Quran.
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Just like the New Testament and the Quran disagree on the nature of Jesus.
Yes, just like the book of Mormon and the New Testament disagree on the nature of Jesus.
I think you are starting to get it.
Islam and Christianity are two totally valid religions that are different.
Mormonism and Christianity are two totally valid religions that are different.
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What you are unable to grasp is that anyone can label themself a Christian. Anyone.
I agree that anyone can label themselves as a Christian, I pointed that out several posts ago about knowing Jesus the Honduran Mechanic vs knowing Jesus the Biblical Savior.
Those people though mean completely different things by it.
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There is no governing authority to adjudicate that except Jesus himself.
Scripture is a governing authority, that's what you don't get, you are trying to put a non Christian view on this, but Christianity is defined by it's revelation from God on what it means to believe in Christ, to follow Christ.
You don't understand it, because you are outside the circle.
Different rule books = different games.
American Football has a different rule book from global Football (Soccer), it's a different sport.
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Just because you claim that your book was "inspired" by Jesus, and theirs was not, does not make it so. And vice / versa. Those are beliefs, not facts, on both sides of the debate.
See you are proving my point.
Christians believe the Old and New Testament were inspired by God, but Don't believe that the Book of Mormon was inspired by God.
Mormons believe to some extent that all three were inspired by god.
In your own words you admit that Christians and Mormons are different.
Fundamentally different.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:23 pm to exiledhogfan
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As is, by definition, every religion.
Yes, but Mormonism isn’t a Christian cult.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:30 pm to Rebel
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Is a belief in the Bible a prerequisite to be a Christian?
Jesus, if he exists as a divine entity with control over the disposition of peoples' souls after their physical bodies die, determines who is worthy of eternal salvation.
The answer to your question is that I don't know because I am not Jesus, and he, if he exists, has not communicated directly with me as to what his eternal salvation qualification rules are.
You can tell me what you think his eternal salvation qualification rules are, but why should I believe you over anyone else?
Why should I believe that such a being even exists just because you believe it does?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:34 pm to BamaGradinTn
True
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:35 pm to Narax
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Do you actually believe an Angel called Moroni (didn't he "become an angel?") was just offering an interpretation of the New Testament?
I don't believe in angels, so no.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:46 pm to TulsaSooner78
1) you shouldn’t believe me.
2) you should believe the apostles who were tasked with spreading his words.
3) you should believe Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I think it’s safe to accept their words as gospel.
Taking out the supernatural, the above is historical fact.
The Council of Nicaea is also a fact. It laid down the foundation of Christianity of which a belief in one God, (the father, son, & spirit)
Mormons don’t believe in Christianity. They believe in 3 gods.
Seriously, how can you be Christian without incarnation?
As I’ve said, Mormons as a group lead a more Christ like life than many who belong to a Christian based faith. But a 3 headed god is a deal breaker.
2) you should believe the apostles who were tasked with spreading his words.
3) you should believe Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I think it’s safe to accept their words as gospel.
Taking out the supernatural, the above is historical fact.
The Council of Nicaea is also a fact. It laid down the foundation of Christianity of which a belief in one God, (the father, son, & spirit)
Mormons don’t believe in Christianity. They believe in 3 gods.
Seriously, how can you be Christian without incarnation?
As I’ve said, Mormons as a group lead a more Christ like life than many who belong to a Christian based faith. But a 3 headed god is a deal breaker.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/7/26 at 1:06 pm to TulsaSooner78
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I don't believe in angels, so no.
So you agree that
No, an Angel called Moroni (if he existed) was NOT just offering an interpretation of the New Testament?
According to your logic, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, probably all religions are basically the same thing, and you haven't put much effort into telling them apart.
I do agree that from your point of view it's just a bunch of wackos.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 1:08 pm
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