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re: This isn’t a great look for the pentagon. They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:51 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:51 am to wackatimesthree
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It starts out "The Church of Jesus Christ ..."
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And it finishes with "Of Latter Day Saints."
It's what the second part means that is the issue.
I was responding to his statement:
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I was not aware they considered themselves Christian.
How could anyone not be aware of that unless they were totally ignorant of the formal name of the religion?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:56 am to Diamondawg
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They also claim that you too can be a god. So, I guess you can say anything.
You definitely can say anything.
John 10:30 (NIV) quotes Jesus as saying:
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I and the Father are one.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 9:56 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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But Catholics have taken care of the sanctity of the Word for a millennia and a quarter century.
My bad. Make that two millennia.
Does the Catholic Church live by the Ten Commandments?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:00 am to Gus007
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Does the Catholic Church live by the Ten Commandments?
Which version of the Ten Commandments?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:07 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The mormon church of Utah is Brigham Youngs cult...he was power hungry and wanted to take over the church in Missouri. I knew of someone whose great great grandmother was there when the masked man shot Joseph Smith. She was only 9 at the time but it was a small town where everyone knew each other and she claimed that it was Brigham that shot Joseph, she recognized his voice.
Brigham Young used Joseph's influence to make false claims so he could shape a church after his own lusts. Why do you think Joseph was killed? It was a power struggle between good and evil. Brigham re-wrote the book of mormon to suit his agenda. He also paid women to claim that they were Joseph's wives so he could continue to teach polygamy. Brigham lied about many things that he said Joseph never said nor did.
After Joseph was murdered, Brigham wanted to take over and persuaded some to follow him to the land of salt where he became like a dictator. People could not leave his church or his personal army, "the avenging angels" would kill them.
Brigham Young used Joseph's influence to make false claims so he could shape a church after his own lusts. Why do you think Joseph was killed? It was a power struggle between good and evil. Brigham re-wrote the book of mormon to suit his agenda. He also paid women to claim that they were Joseph's wives so he could continue to teach polygamy. Brigham lied about many things that he said Joseph never said nor did.
After Joseph was murdered, Brigham wanted to take over and persuaded some to follow him to the land of salt where he became like a dictator. People could not leave his church or his personal army, "the avenging angels" would kill them.
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:12 am to Gus007
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Does the Catholic Church live by the Ten Commandments?
The word Catholic comes from the ancient Greek adjective katholikos (?a???????), which means "universal" or "all-encompassing"
The Catholic Church didn't modify doctrine and hang out a shingle. It is just a succession of Christians that started with the Apostles, Pentecost, the succession of Peter to being the Bishop of Rome, the flock and the rest is history. So I guess, I'd say Catholics were there from the beginning.
And then you ask a silly question I know you've discussed with your brethren about the Ten Commandments.
Matthew 22:37-39
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:22 am to TulsaSooner78
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That is a good analogy because both Islam and LDS usurped, modified, and added to Judaic and Christian scripture.
Their founding prophets were both illiterate, polygamists, and received their scriptures from angels.
That was their argument for calling it as such. It makes sense at least to my smooth brain.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:25 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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The Catholic Church didn't modify doctrine and hang out a shingle. It is just a succession of Christians that started with the Apostles, Pentecost, the succession of Peter
King James did indeed modify the bible and removed many plain and precious things. There are no popes or cardinals in the bible. Jesus established his church and the catholics do not follow his teachings as to how it was to be. Peter was not the cornerstone...Christ is.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:30 am to Ailsa
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King James did indeed modify the bible and removed many plain and precious things. There are no popes or cardinals in the bible. Jesus established his church and the catholics do not follow his teachings as to how it was to be. Peter was not the cornerstone...Christ is.
And I guess you think without all of them the church would have just formed? The Apostles, their followers and Peter and Paul were essential to the life of the early church. And they were inspired to spread the word and grow the church. Both Peter and Paul had to go to Rome where they were eventually martyred.
And your stuff about Catholics is poppycock. Again, Matthew 22:37-39. Don't quibble.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:38 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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And I guess you think without all of them the church would have just formed? The Apostles, their followers and Peter and Paul were essential to the life of the early church. And they were inspired to spread the word and grow the church. Both Peter and Paul had to go to Rome where they were eventually martyred.
The apostles and Christ's disciples were the church in those early years and they did preach to convert many. They were killed in rome and that's where the catholics started...from there it was either be catholic or be imprisoned/tortured or killed. They were power and money hungry to the point that there was a time where they said for a certain sum of money your sins could be forgiven...hence Luther posted his dissension on the door and departed.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:44 am to Ailsa
I suspect in two thousand years there will be 100,000 protestant sects and still one Catholic Church.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
They aren't.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:50 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I suspect in two thousand years there will be 100,000 protestant sects and still one Catholic Church.
There are more than 45 thousand denominations/sects...they have all gone astray.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:53 am to DarthRebel
Yup, the LDS church is the problem. Modern day pastors have abandoned any semblance of following the bible bending to whatever the political whims are of the day. You have pastors preaching homosexuality from the pulpit, but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not bend to political whims. Some of you should come to the uncomfortable conclusion that all churches that are accepted among the "Christian" faiths and not considered "cults" are nothing more than man-made constructs. It's evident in their teaching. The LDS church has been there through feast, flood, famine to help out their fellow man. We are a kindhearted and charitable people who would help out a fellow person regardless of their religious affiliation, yet despite these fruits, most of you have convinced yourself that it's a cult. You've been duped. You can come visit an LDS church at any time. You can read our scriptures. You can take missionary lessons. You can be baptized. If you wish, you can leave the church, run it down, call it a cult, whatever you wish, but you'll get no repercussions from the LDS church. Our knowledge of the scriptures, the testimonies we hold dear, the knowledge we have about our Father-in-Heaven, we're confident that all truth will come out in the wash, so until then, we're content to let you insult us and mischaracterize our faith. It only strengthens us.
The Bible and the Book of Mormon teach that salvation comes through no other than Jesus Christ himself. You can come to an LDS church on any given Sunday at the Sunday School lessons, the Priesthood lessons or the Relief Society lessons will all center around Jesus Christ.
If our fruits are Christlike, as are our teachings, keep convincing yourself that we're a cult. That's okay. But let me tell you this, we know the scriptures backwards and forwards, whether that be the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants or the Pearl of Great Price. If you'd like to get into a scriptural debate, call the missionaries. I'm sure they'd love to speak with you in a polite and calm manor. But this idea that we're all simpletons with no understanding of the Bible is humorous to me. Most of us have read, marked up, studied the Bible multiple times. We're very familiar with it and we use it.
To end this debate now, yes, we are Christian. We believe that Christ died for our sins and three days later was resurrected providing each of us with immortality. Because he paid the ultimate price for our sins and was the only being who could having no sins of his own, he provided us the way to Eternal Life if we'd repent and love and follow him.
By their fruits you shall know them...
The Bible and the Book of Mormon teach that salvation comes through no other than Jesus Christ himself. You can come to an LDS church on any given Sunday at the Sunday School lessons, the Priesthood lessons or the Relief Society lessons will all center around Jesus Christ.
If our fruits are Christlike, as are our teachings, keep convincing yourself that we're a cult. That's okay. But let me tell you this, we know the scriptures backwards and forwards, whether that be the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants or the Pearl of Great Price. If you'd like to get into a scriptural debate, call the missionaries. I'm sure they'd love to speak with you in a polite and calm manor. But this idea that we're all simpletons with no understanding of the Bible is humorous to me. Most of us have read, marked up, studied the Bible multiple times. We're very familiar with it and we use it.
To end this debate now, yes, we are Christian. We believe that Christ died for our sins and three days later was resurrected providing each of us with immortality. Because he paid the ultimate price for our sins and was the only being who could having no sins of his own, he provided us the way to Eternal Life if we'd repent and love and follow him.
By their fruits you shall know them...
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:53 am to Ailsa
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There are more than 45 thousand denominations/sects...they have all gone astray.
Yes, I know this and that's why I said it will be 100,000 or 200,000 if we can manage to survive as a species.
And there will be the same Catholic Church.
And have a great day. Yes, the topic is (about a Presbyterian sect gone astray.) No. It is about Mormons and Christians. I got confused.
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/8/26 at 11:00 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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the topic is about a Presbyterian sect gone astray
The catholic church goes against Christ's teachings and commandments, not just all the sects that formed afterwards.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 11:03 am to Ailsa
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The catholic church goes against Christ's teachings and commandments, not just all the sects that formed afterwards.
Capitalize catholic. You are silly. And you aren't the judge of these things anyway. Live your religious life in the manner you wish.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 11:23 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I rather agree with this although, if Mormons aren't on the Christian list any more neither should Jehova's Witnesses. Heck, JWs don't even use a regular Bible, they made up their own. And they don't recognize Christ's divine nature.
So, time to strike the JWs off the Christian list too.
So, time to strike the JWs off the Christian list too.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 11:29 am to StreamsOfWhiskey
But there are so many parts of LDS doctrine that are, quite frankly, so questionable and so un-Christian.
I've asked several LDS about that Divine Mother, yet not one could tell me much about her. And she does appear in some of the books that are used as 'gospel.'
And the idea that babies are pre-born 'souls' that are floating around in the universe until a family decides to have another baby that will provide a physical body for that soul. How is that biblical?
And first and foremost, the inability to provide any kind of archeological evidence for ANY of the claims made about Christ in the New World?!?! Really, nothing?!?!
I've asked several LDS about that Divine Mother, yet not one could tell me much about her. And she does appear in some of the books that are used as 'gospel.'
And the idea that babies are pre-born 'souls' that are floating around in the universe until a family decides to have another baby that will provide a physical body for that soul. How is that biblical?
And first and foremost, the inability to provide any kind of archeological evidence for ANY of the claims made about Christ in the New World?!?! Really, nothing?!?!
Posted on 6/8/26 at 11:31 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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And you aren't the judge of these things anyway.
The catholic church says that it has stood since Peter. Peter wasn’t Catholic. He was a messianic Jew.
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Jews which were the first Christians were trained from early childhood how to copy and write the scrolls over and over without error. Same with the New Testament. Catholic pompous attitude again believing that they were the only ones with a copy of the scrolls.
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The statue’s of the woman and child are pagan. They are pagan from Semiramis and Tammuz. Immaculate heart of Mary is paganism. No reference was ever made that Mary was born sinless in scripture or early church fathers like Josephus. Only over a period of time within the catholic faith. No other Christian faith believes Mary was born sinless nor does she have any intercession authority even if she did ask Jesus to not embarrass her best friend from running out of wine at a wedding feast and have him turn the water into wine. That’s a mighty stretch to think salvation could go through Mary when multiple times even after that miracle did Jesus say he is the only way to the father.
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Catholic Church is about anti Christian as you can be. Mary an intercessor. Pope being a vicar of Christ or Christ on earth. Even the old Peter in and the “rock” line of building the Church on a “the rock”. The rock reference was made about Jesus himself. Jesus is the rock not Peter. Just a few verses down Jesus calls Peter Satan for misunderstanding that he was talking about himself and not Peter. Infallibility of a human. Sinless life by a human (Mary). Mary remained a virgin. When we are specifically told Jesus had brothers and no they weren’t his cousins like the catholic church would have you believe. Just another replacement Trinity that Satan has used since nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz. You know all the old like ancient statues and relics of that the mother and son with the disk behind the head is Semiramis and Tammuz correct? Not Mary and Jesus. And the Catholic Church uses that as a symbol of Mary’s forever virgin and forever sinless.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the hypocrites do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
(such as "hail mary")
"Matthew 6:7 is a famous biblical teaching in which Jesus instructs his disciples on how to pray. He warns against "vain repetitions" or "empty phrases," emphasizing that prayer should be an authentic conversation rather than a ritualistic recitation meant to impress God or others with many"
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