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re: This is shopped, right?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:31 am to Korkstand
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:31 am to Korkstand
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Anyway, is it not obvious to everyone that the war on drugs cannot be won by taking down dealers and traffickers? That hydra always grows new heads. It's a market like any other, so long as there is demand there will be supply. Resources would be much better spent helping users to get clean. This would shrink demand, reduce potentially violent drug deal encounters, and give us more productive members of society at the same time. Seems like a better approach, no?
I agree. Kim Klacik of Baltimore actually had a great idea. It is going to involve amnesty for the corner boy dealer so bear with me.
The corner boy is the one that works the street selling the product and likely has 1-2 parents in jail and/or several mouths at home to feed. He is trying to get buy and unfortunately has resorted to hustling illegal product. Police will confront the corner boy. No arrest. Not yet
1. The corner boy is given 365 days of no questions asked regarding where his money came from.
2. In that time he can invest his money in real estate, a business, homeownership, college, whatever. He has only a year of zero questions asked.
3. If the 1 passes and the corner boy still is selling the product he/she is then arrested and charges sought.
FAR from perfect, and likely impossible given human nature, but it's a start of a possible solution. If nothing else proposing it can get creative minds thinking. Jailing, prosecuting, and the ultimate war on drugs has been an absolute failure. This way you encourage entrepreneurship, investing, being a productive member of society.
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Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:48 am to Tiger1242
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If you were asleep in your bed and knew you had done nothing wrong, someone breaks into your place unannounced, how would you react?
Well, if I had a warrant for my arrest, I wouldn't be laying in bed knowing I did nothing wrong. I'd probably be sleeping with one eye open wondering when the police were coming to get me.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 12:49 am
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:58 am to AlwysATgr
quote:It's definitely complicated, and there probably is no perfect solution. All I'm saying is that it's pretty clear that bumping up the risk factors via prohibition and enforcement doesn't seem to be that much of a deterrent. Instead, it just assures that dealers will arm themselves and be rightfully paranoid.
Yep. And that's what dealers do, cultivate demand.
IDK what the solution is. It's probably complicated. I'm not a fan of NKR (no-knock raids). Seem especially risky. But folks trafficking in drugs know NKRs are a legal tactic for now. IOW, dealers assume the risk of a NKR happening.
All we do when we lock up a dealer is put another burden on taxpayers while his customers find a new dealer. Net-negative on society. This strategy doesn't seem to have an endgame, and maybe that's the point of it. Just a part of the machine.
Seems to me if we put the same amount of resources into rehab and community building, we might be able to make some progress in this "war".
Posted on 9/14/20 at 1:26 am to Korkstand
You have to first ask yourself WHY the drugs are being sought.
Call me old-fashioned. I am of the belief that if you give a community a good economy, fruitful jobs, etc, people will rediscover purpose and steer away from drugs.
Call me old-fashioned. I am of the belief that if you give a community a good economy, fruitful jobs, etc, people will rediscover purpose and steer away from drugs.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 1:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I agree.
You have to first ask yourself WHY the drugs are being sought.
Call me old-fashioned. I am of the belief that if you give a community a good economy, fruitful jobs, etc, people will rediscover purpose and steer away from drugs.
Then you have to ask yourself whether NKR's and other aggressive enforcement tactics foster community-building, or if they sow distrust toward police and perpetuate the cycle of fatherless households (via incarceration), poverty, drug trafficking and use and other crimes.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 1:52 am to Nguyener
quote:is not the actual cops fault. They just serve the warrants they are given, had bad info given to them. They immediately received gunfire and one of them was hit before the returned fire
Taylor is the only case I’ve seen so far that I agree was unwarranted police action.
I do not agree at all with No-knock warrants.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 2:14 am to burke985
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She was a drug dealer
No, she wasn’t.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 3:02 am to memphisplaya
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In fact, in 2016 this so-called EMT lost her license when a car rented in her name turned up with a dead body.
....in the trunk, IIRC. That kind of behavior I would assume puts you into the demographic of people killed by cop or drug-dealer.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 3:17 am to Nguyener
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If I’m sitting in my house and someone starts smashing my door down, I’m shooting through it.
As a general rule for ordinary citizens - yes.
My layman's point of view = As a criminal on the run with active warrants out against him, it is not a justified response - it is merely a continuation of their original criminal act.
How the minutia of the legal process treats /\ this /\ is just another mystery to me.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:04 am to blueboy
You know if most everyone doesn't fall into line with the movement in the NFL life will be miserable. Better to fall into line so one can continue the job the love (and with high pay and privileges) without hassle.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:08 am to blueboy
Just have to wonder when all the pandering will stop.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:54 am to Fat Bastard
Wasn't supposed to have a gun while in possession of an illegal substance.
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The status of being stoned (in an acute and chronic sense) explains why Mr. Castille: 1) did not follow the repeated directions of Officer Yanez; 2) stared straight ahead and avoided eye contact; 3) never mentioned that he had a carry permit, but instead said he had a gun; and (4) he did not show his hands,” the lawyers wrote in a motion to dismiss the charges against Castille.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:55 am to Chet Donnely
quote:So they end up shooting an innocent woman multiple times in the middle of the night, in her own home, and killing her ..... but it's okay because "what they did was legal in that state"?
Except what they did was legal in that state.
Weird thread.
Brionna Taylor's killing was inexcusable.
The Police claim that they "knocked" ..... after all, that is the whole reason for a middle of the night house raid -- to knock and say "This is the Police, could you please open your door? Pretty please?" Right?
Their warrant did actually require they announce themselves though.
Were it proven they didn't, they'd be in very hot water. So they say they did. Louisville authorities also claim the officers did not have body cameras on. Crime scene photos show at least one of the LMPD officers involved was wearing a bodycam. Their "no body cam" claim is incorrect (at best).
One single witness says he heard police say "Police!" one time. Several heard the BF shouting for them to identify themselves w/o any response. That jibes with the BF's own account. When the LEOs didn't respond to the BF's shouts, and instead broke through the front door, the BF fired a single shot, one shot, just one. It wounded one cop in the leg. At that point the LMPD officers released a hail of gunfire directed at the BF. Meanwhile another cop emptied a clip or two indiscriminately through an apartment window hitting the unarmed BT 5 times.
Crime scene evidence shows THIRTY-SEVEN (37) casings were recovered at the scene along with slugs which passed through walls and into TWO neighboring apts. . . It appears the LMPD officers firing from two points assumed the other's shots were coming from Taylor or her BF. Brillant!
Then to add insult to injury, the BF was charged with attempted murder, and the idiot Police Union pitched a conniption fit when he was let out on bail.
...But "what they did was legal in that state."
Crime scene evidence shows THIRTY-SEVEN (37) casings were recovered at the scene along with slugs which passed through walls and into TWO neighboring apts. . .
Louisville authorities also claim the officers did not have body cameras on. Crime scene photos show at least one of the LMPD officers involved was wearing a bodycam. Their "no body cam" claim is incorrect (at best). 
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 5:13 am
Posted on 9/14/20 at 5:20 am to Nguyener
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do not agree at all with No-knock warrants.
Apparently they knocked...
Boyfriend shot at police because he was scared ...claims he didn't know who was busting down the door.
Taylor's ex boyfriend is why police were there...
Again its another tragedy...where victim made bad life choices...? You decide
Posted on 9/14/20 at 5:21 am to Fat Bastard
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philandro castille?
the problem with all this shite is the false narratives about the mike browns, alton sterlings, freddie grays,etc and the BLM crows titally ignoring B on B crime and the fact there is no racial bias in shootings or that more whites are killed than blacks by cops and when they cry about blacks having a higher rate..well yeah....you commit 53% of all murders. WTF u think is gonna happen?
The 3 that I don't understand are Taylor, Castille and the duration of the knee on Floyd's neck. George Floyd was a piece of shite though, but being already cuffed there was no need for the knee on his neck for 10 minutes. Taylor is the most unsure one, since there are multiple underlying factors. Castille told the cops he had a concealed carry, he had no priors, and you could see his hands the entire time. The cop choked. Now the others deserved what they got. When you don't comply and you could possibly be armed, Night night. Cops want to go home to their families too.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 5:42 am to Nguyener
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Taylor is the only case I’ve seen so far that I agree was unwarranted police action.
I do not agree at all with No-knock warrants.
They knocked. The only reason you view this incident in a different light is because you have been lied to about what happened. Cops serving a warrant, did announce were shot at and hit by a gunman and then what? They don't have the right to self defense? They should just turn tail and run instead of returning fire? BS
Posted on 9/14/20 at 5:50 am to Nguyener
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I do not agree at all with No-knock warrants
From what I hear, the Taylor warrant was a knock warrant.
The cops say they announced themselves. The boyfriend who started shooting days otherwise.
Taylor was involved in the drug trade.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 5:53 am to Tiger1242
quote:It wasn't the wrong apartment. It was a search warrant for her apartment because her ex/other boyfriend was on recorded calls from jail saying she was holding money for him.
After they broke in unannounced and into the wrong apartment to boot...
If you were asleep in your bed and knew you had done nothing wrong, someone breaks into your place unannounced, how would you react?
It was a no-knock warrant, but they knocked. That is what woke her and the boyfriend up and why he got his gun.
He did not shoot until after the cops were in the apartment, and both the boyfriend and her were in a hallway, not in bed or asleep on the sofa.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 6:00 am to PJinAtl
quote:Negative. That order was changed to "knock AND announce".
It was a no-knock warrant
Posted on 9/14/20 at 6:03 am to 8thyearsenior
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So this board doesn’t worship an adulterer(Trump) and a prescription drug user(Rush)? Very sad
Rush and Trump have actually done something to make society better. This a-hole coaches a game played by grown children.
But then again, politics is a game played by adult children, so how bout we call it even.
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