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This is a real Reddit post: returns on investments are an unnecessary cost to society

Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:50 pm
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Capitalism imposes an extra cost on the economy: the cost of the need for investors to get a return on their investment

the state does not "need" a return on its endeavors. As long as it doesn't spend more than it takes in in tax funds or service fees, it will exist.

A private company, on the other hand, needs MORE than the cost of production to survive, because the investors/banks/owners need money to justify their investment.

What this means is that a state-provided service can price its service lower than a capitalist mode of production, because that extra investor cost is not present.

An example of this is healthcare.






Came across it while scrolling through r/debatealibertarian
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105407 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:52 pm to
It just hasn’t been done right and will surely work in America.
Posted by Sweet Pickles
Member since Mar 2017
368 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:53 pm to
So much retard in one paragraph.
Posted by Ping Pong
LSU and UVA alum
Member since Aug 2014
5350 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:54 pm to
Someone needs to go back to ECON 101 and have it taught by a special education teacher
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57223 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

An example of this is healthcare.
Try finding a dentist in UK after august.

quote:

Capitalism imposes an extra cost on the economy: the cost of the need for investors to get a return on their investment

the state does not "need" a return on its endeavors. As long as it doesn't spend more than it takes in in tax funds or service fees, it will exist.
I wonder if this person gives away every dollar they have left at then end of each month when all bills are paid?

It's so stupid it's hard to know if its real, and if so how to respond.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

he state does not "need" a return on its endeavors. As long as it doesn't spend more than it takes in in tax funds


guess what happens when the state ALWAYS spends more than it takes
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19045 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:58 pm to
Did they happen to mention where the state gets its money for their endeavors?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61224 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

What this means is that a state-provided service can price its service lower than a capitalist mode of production, because that extra investor cost is not present.


Its like this person is literally blind and deaf. There is no single government entity with a private analogue that runs better than the private analogue.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45752 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:58 pm to
Two words say this is total bullshite:

Post Office
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123896 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

What this means is that a state-provided service can price its service lower than a capitalist mode of production, because that extra investor cost is not present.

An example of this is healthcare.
Micheal Moore says Cuba is a great example. Communist state of the art.











Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:00 pm to
sad part is the redditors will totally believe his BS.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:00 pm to
These same people want to get rid of government police because it doesn't work and want more government healthcare because it will work.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:00 pm to
quote:


Capitalism imposes an extra cost on the economy: the cost of the need for investors to get a return on their investment

Well this person decided to out themselves as ignorant right out of the gates
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34141 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

more than it takes in in tax funds or service fees, it will exist. I wonder if this person gives away every dollar they have left at then end of each month when all bills are paid?


This person probably lives off of the state and has no bills to pay.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:02 pm to
He forgot to include the fact that the state doesn't actually have to provide a good service in order to get your dollar.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57223 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:02 pm to
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Micheal Moore says Cuba is a great example. Communist state of the art.
Yabbut... they got rid of all those evil rich people!! SUCCESS!!
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

the state does not "need" a return on its endeavors. As long as it doesn't spend more than it takes in in tax funds or service fees, it will exist.


Then why are we running a deficit in the trillions of dollars???
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101390 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:07 pm to
Anyone who thinks these loons won’t come for your 401Ks if they think they have a chance.
Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:11 pm to
I believe there is an element if truth to that. There is a certain 90 day mindset with some powerful investors. They want events that will reflect to their bottom line and then they sell out and are gone. Had it in a prior company. An investment group bought a significant position...forced the company to divest of significant steady assets....took the short term profits and was gone. The company was built on a highly fluctuating component and a steady component. The speculative side lasted a few years and was eventually bought out in a down cycle

It was a good move for a few peoples accounts but ultimately ruined the company

I salute michael dell and co for buying his company back and getting it out of that 90 day earnings call mindset by investors

Is this every fund/investor...no but there is overall damage done by the ones that operate by that mentality

Capitalism isnt 100% with out fault...it just happens to be WAY better than it's next practical rival
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47587 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:12 pm to
quote:


I wonder if this person gives away every dollar they have left at then end of each month when all bills are paid?
I saw a budget pie graph on Facebook for a 25 year old living in the Boston area who earned 100,000 a year but lived with roommates and didn’t own a car, but he paid money for a house cleaner and had a monthly $600 donation to a homeless shelter in his budget
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