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re: This doesn’t seem like negotiating from a position of strength

Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:12 pm to
Yeah..... allowing Iran to continue holding the ME hostage and moving closer to nukes wouldn't had any impact on global oil prices!!!

Geez!!!

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:14 pm to
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Iran was so desperately begging for a deal that we had to relax sanctions and unfreeze funds. We sure showed those camel jockeys
Trump is the guy that walks into the car dealership, says "I'm willing to pay $20,000 over sticker price", then brags to all this friends "Man, you should have seen those guys, they were falling all over themselves to make a deal. They were desperate from my business."
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:16 pm to
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Obama gave $1.7B of Iran's money back

Trump gave $100B of Iran's money back AND lifted all sanctions



Please, provide a link.



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What the Deal Actually Provides on Assets and SanctionsFrozen Assets: The agreement commits the US to eventually make Iran's restricted/frozen funds "fully available" and usable, in line with negotiation progress toward a final deal. Estimates of total frozen Iranian assets (mostly from past oil sales, held abroad) range up to ~$100 billion, but this is not an immediate lump-sum release.

abcnews.com +1

Iranian sources (e.g., Mehr News) have claimed ~$24 billion (with half available before talks begin) or similar early access, but US officials (including VP JD Vance) explicitly reject automatic or immediate releases. Relief is phased and tied to Iranian compliance (e.g., nuclear steps, behavior).

axios.com +1

Some humanitarian or limited mechanisms (e.g., via Qatar) have been discussed, but no broad unfreezing yet.

Sanctions: Immediate: US Treasury will issue waivers allowing Iran to export crude oil, petrochemicals, and related services (banking, insurance, shipping). This provides quick revenue but is reversible.

abcnews.com +1

Longer-term: The US commits to terminating all sanctions (US unilateral, UNSC, IAEA-related) on a "mutually agreed timeline" as part of a final agreement—not the current MoU. This is conditional on Iranian performance during/after the 60-day talks.

fortune.com


Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:16 pm to
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The leftards are now siding with the JOOOOSSSS that are so mad about this deal
The "leftards" are happy with the deal. We are just mocking the Magatards who thought starting this war would end in better results.

Heck, with Trump in charge and Israel wanting to sabotage, we aren't guaranteed to make it to Friday to sign the MOU and I don't like the odds on a nuclear deal in 60 days.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10482 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:17 pm to
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Thats quite the leap to equate Imperial Japan to modern Iran.


What do you call what Iran has been doing in the Middle East for the last 25+ years? They have proxies they fund in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, and Gaza.

They have their own empire/sphere of influence already.

They’re allied strongly with frickin Russia and China. They are IN the axis of evil. They’re no different than WWII Germany or Japan.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 7:19 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:18 pm to
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Please, provide a link.


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Estimates of total frozen Iranian assets (mostly from past oil sales, held abroad) range up to ~$100 billion


You need to read what you posted

$100B is 58x what Obama opened for Iran
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2484 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:18 pm to
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Imagine having Japan surrounded in 1945 and we decide to give them hundreds of billions to rebuild and keep their current government in place. That’s the parallel here.


Trump never tried to sell a war to the American people. He made a common mistake that leaders do - he thought the strategic objective (if there really was one, but that is a different matter) would easy to achieve. Once it got tough Iran had an advantage - the political realities of the US.

If you are going to war, make sure the populace is behind you before you start it.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24114 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:19 pm to
What don't you fricktards not understand????
You are demonstrably wrong. Your no better than Iranian propagandists!
You, SFP, and others are fricking liars




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Iranian sources (e.g., Mehr News) have claimed ~$24 billion (with half available before talks begin) or similar early access, but US officials (including VP JD Vance) explicitly reject automatic or immediate releases. Relief is phased and tied to Iranian compliance
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12595 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:19 pm to
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And just what was your opinion of *Sleepy Joe and BHO's dealings with Iran? Please tell.


Simple answer is Biden and Obama told Israel to kick rocks when they tried to get us to fall for the “Iran will have nukes in 2 weeks” precursor to go to war
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10482 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:20 pm to
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Obama gave $1.7B of Iran's money back Trump gave $100B of Iran's money back AND lifted all sanctions


It is a cataclysmic failure of the Trump administration.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98902 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:22 pm to
Well we have been watching it for 10yrs now

And you have been crying the entire decade

Its kinda patehtic no?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24114 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:22 pm to
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You need to read what you posted

$100B is 58x what Obama opened for Iran


You are a worm. A lying and dishonest piece of shite. My greatest hope is one day, somehow, to cross paths with you in the metropolis of Lake Charles.
It's all structured, dependent upon Irans cooperation and adherence to conditions set forth in the deal.

But, hey man.... continue to do you. I know you. Little dishonest bitch
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
23078 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:25 pm to
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They have no nukes. Their old guard are all dead. Their new guard know that they can easily be dead. Their military is decimated. Gas prices are plummeting. Indeed, we did show them, dickbreath. Sorry that Trump still has you by the pussy.


When the Saudis/UAE finish their Hormuz bypass pipeline and ship loading the Iranians will be strangled by the Strait of Hormuz if they are not good neighbors.

Also this deal gives us time to infiltrate internal leadership options and covertly supply them arms if we so choose.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
24638 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:26 pm to
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We got out when we realized our selective bombing strategy was getting us nowhere. Now here we are. Imagine having Japan surrounded in 1945 and we decide to give them hundreds of billions to rebuild and keep their current government in place. That’s the parallel here.


Amazing how some of yall don’t understand the 5D chess!!
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12595 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:28 pm to
I like this new tack. Forget defending this. Now it’s measuring against Who or What is more pathetic…

Lots of decisions and candidates to choose from here
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98902 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:30 pm to
You cannot be anymore pathetic than a liberal male Aggie like yourself

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478687 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:30 pm to
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It's all structured, dependent upon Irans cooperation and adherence to conditions set forth in the deal.

This is what the admin expects to be part of the next deal, but it's not in the MOU

Iran will get 10-20x what Obama gave them before the first deadline for that next deal, before this is even an obligation for Iran.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12595 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:31 pm to
If Iran closes the strait in 60 days then what happens to the $300B
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90155 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:37 pm to
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Why? Because Iran is weaker?


no because imperial japan was ruled by a japanese deity who loved his people and did not want to see them destroyed any more

people of modern iran have no such luck with their leadership
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41927 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:41 pm to
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What do you call what Iran has been doing in the Middle East for the last 25+ years? They have proxies they fund in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, and Gaza.



Certainly not what Japan did back then.
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