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re: The US remains a net IMPORTER of CRUDE OIL

Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:17 pm to
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How many are even in the planning stage under the current Republican regime?


At least 7 have been planned and have been waiting funding since before Biden. Major oil companies don't want their names on them but would buy the products to sell. It's a matter of market viability with closed refineries even in LA and TX
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:19 pm to
The US exports way more crude oil than it imports. However, some of that crude oil is in refined products.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:22 pm to
It was never a secret that the U.S. is a net importer, but it seems as if many people are unaware of it…
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:40 pm to
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It takes a long time but You can’t build a refinery if you don’t even start .

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Major developments and capacity expansions:New Facility (Brownsville, TX): America First Refining is developing the first new, large-scale U.S. oil refinery built in decades. It will process light shale oil into gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel.Citgo (Lake Charles, LA): A major project is underway to add 75,000 barrels per day (b/d) of capacity to the existing 484,000-b/d refinery.Valero (Port Arthur, TX): An expansion project to boost capacity by 25,000 b/d.Chevron (Pascagoula, MS): A project targeted for 2027 to boost capacity by an additional 33,000 b/d to process more light crude.ExxonMobil (Beaumont, TX): Recently brought a massive 250,000 b/d crude distillation expansion online, representing one of the largest additions in recent years.

We’ve started.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:42 pm to
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The US exports way more crude oil than it imports. However, some of that crude oil is in refined products.


PADD 3, includes Gulf Coast, does export about 1 million BPD of refined products. It imports approx 1/10 of that
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:46 pm to
Trump has done exactly dick. He does, however talk a lot…
Posted by Riverside
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:50 pm to
This thread really drew the TDS crowd
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 4:10 pm to
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Canada had syncrude but not heavy crude production.


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Heavy crude, bitumen, and the synthetic crude derived from it make up the vast majority of Canada's oil output. Combined, they account for nearly 75% of Canada’s total production.The remaining 25% consists of conventional light crude, medium crude, and natural gas condensate.When looking specifically at Canadian exports, the dominance of heavy oil is even more pronounced. Heavy oil and bitumen blends (such as Western Canadian Select) make up around 79% of Canada's total crude exports. Because Canada's domestic refining capacity is limited, the majority of this heavy output is exported to specialized, heavy-oil-processing refineries in the United States.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 4:14 pm to
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Trump has done exactly dick. He does, however talk a lot…


Drilling looks at long term forecast for pricing not short term. It's become much more disciplined since 2014. We have more than enough refining capacity, and very few will invest in new refineries. Marathon, P66 and Shell all have closed refineries in recent years some of that is for light sweet and intermediate crude.grades
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 4:18 pm to
The Canadian exports from BC are actually a good match for CA refineries. It's around 20 API gravity with around 3% sulfur. CA refineries are for CA crude which is 18 API gravity and 3.5% sulfur.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 5:44 pm to
I just did a quick glance, but TOTAL IMPORTS on your chart are 7,573 for the week of 6/5. TOTAL EXPORTS come in at 12,493 for the same week

I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but I was taught in da skoolz that 12 thousand was bigger than 7 thousand??
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29455 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 6:24 pm to
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I just did a quick glance, but TOTAL IMPORTS on your chart are 7,573 for the week of 6/5. TOTAL EXPORTS come in at 12,493 for the same week

I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but I was taught in da skoolz that 12 thousand was bigger than 7 thousand??


OP’s rant was about crude oil imports vs exports. The numbers you’re citing are “total petroleum product” imports vs exports.

I usually stay at Marriott chains.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 6:45 pm to
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It takes more energy to heat for the crude unit and has to be refined at a higher temperature due all of the light ends


Help me here. I'm not a refinery expert, but I know that light ends have a lower boiling point. Why is a higher temperature required to fractionate off something that has a low boiling point?
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 6:49 pm to
In a year and a half? You sir are either an idiot or stupid. Why not both?
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:04 pm to
so is robbob perspective or citizen k perspective more accurate in describing the biggggg picture?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:04 pm to
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Help me here. I'm not a refinery expert, but I know that light ends have a lower boiling point. Why is a higher temperature required to fractionate off something that has a low boiling point?


As explained to me to separate them. The feedstock is lighter than gasoline. but has some heavies in it.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:07 pm to
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so is robbob perspective or citizen k perspective more accurate in describing the biggggg picture?


Depends on the picture you’re trying to paint. They’re both accurate, though RobbBobb lashed out at OP with stats that were different that what OP was pointing out.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:10 pm to
so you are a mechanical engineer not chemical.

by the way in the Paradis gas fields in the 1960's, every now and then we would run short of out board motor gas but could generally find a well head with condensate available through a drain valve.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11215 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:11 pm to
very diplomatic to call them both accurate.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:49 pm to
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could generally find a well head with condensate available through a drain valve.

I know some who ruined their engines with that in Cameron Parish if isomerized it would be great
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