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re: The US remains a net IMPORTER of CRUDE OIL

Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:07 am to
Posted by TigerAxeOK
In the woods and by the waters.
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:07 am to
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Will you clueless phuckers STFU about you damn cheap arse gasoline being to expensive?


You woke up this angry and hostile.

You need Jesus.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:11 am to
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Less than 30% of US refineries are really set up to refine our own oil.


11 Refineries on the Gulf Coast are configured for heavy or very heavy crude oil, and this is not for the entire refinery, usually one of the crude units. The rest are for intermediate or light crude oil. Much of what is being called crude oil is technically condensate. It was legally changed to crude oil by the same piece of legislation to build the Alaskan Pipeline when exports of crude oil were banned except from Alaska and California to include condensate in the ban.

The problem with much of the actual condensate is that it is gassier than a pot of beans. Thus, the barrel of "oil" is a lot of gasses entrained in a liquid.

Over 3,000 BPD of "crude oil" is technically condensate.

This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 10:13 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:14 am to
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You mean with permitting under democrat regimes?


Two were permitted and built and then went bankrupt in North Dakota while Obama was in office.
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:19 am to
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being to expensive?


Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:23 am to
Why build a refinery when one party wants to put you out of business in less than ten years?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:25 am to
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Forget building refineries, how long do you think it takes to even start building them?


There are several which have been proposed, all cookie cutter 50,000 BPD integrated built in modules for the Permian Basin with target market being California and specially designed for condensate that is being called crude oil. At least one is permitted. The problem not solved to get funding is having pending agreement for purchase of the production.

Diesel is profitable for most refineries gasoline doesn't make money.

Further to the why the US has refineries for heavy crude. that is what has been in California fo many decades due California's crude oil. That is heavier and as high sulfur content as what is pipelined to the US from Canada.

In the early 1980s the price of petroleum coke exploded upwards due new markets developed by German steel maker (tin plate specialty no one could match) and trading company, Otto Wolff. Heavy crude has a lot of residuals, aka asphaltenes, content which is the very bottom of the barrel and good for making petroleum coke. Gulf Coast refineries started reconfiguring to make profit from a once nuisance byproduct from squeezing the last diesel and gasoline from a barrel of oil. Price was not the major factor. It had been available for decades before.

That heavy is cheap is why is not a valid claim.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:28 am to
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Well citizen k, your picking a subset line off the import/export balance is pretty serious misinformation. The total oil/oil products balance line tells a completely different story. You have even described in other posts how Venezuela swaps naphtha for crude blend stock . Net crude/products shows the US to be a major net exporter


bullshite, I specifically pointed out crude oil. Eagle Ford has been exported to Venezuela in the past as a diluent because refineries really don't want 60 API condensate. Eagle Ford is lighter than naphtha.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:30 am to
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SlidellCajun


Melt bitch
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:32 am to
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You woke up this angry and hostile.


I woke up long before my posting after reading other threads with little bitches whining about the price of gasoline and other little bitches saying we should keep all of our oil and screw everyone else.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:58 am to
You specifically pointed out crude oil, okey


you could have specifically posted out "other oils". where only 529 thousand bbl/wk were imported against 2388 were exported.

I think you were asleep and simply repeated the misleading gov't headline
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:10 am to
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you could have specifically posted out "other oils". where only 529 thousand bbl/wk were imported against 2388 were exported.


Those include Residual from the refining process. Each refinery has its own cocktail blend according to assays, not just API gravity and sulfur content. There are closely held secrets. Some refiners such as Valero used to import residuals from Russia for its blends. Residuals are still a refined product covered under other oils.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11215 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 11:11 am to
that's the most anal comment ever, gotta laugh
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
48033 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 12:30 pm to
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It takes a long time but You can’t build a refinery if you don’t even start . Why hasn’t trump made us energy independent!?


Keep shouting liberal but you know why - add it to the endless other crap he’s trying to fix that D’s broke.

You and your group hates
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:38 pm to
Heck I forgot about Transmix from product pipeline terminals.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
11034 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 1:39 pm to
The United States of America is still the largest exporter of oil. Our stats are skewed by California that requires importation of fuels because of democrat insanity.
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 2:17 pm to
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The United States of America is still the largest exporter of oil. Our stats are skewed by California that requires importation of fuels because of democrat insanity.


I specially posted Crude Oil, not refined products. The US has always been an exporter of refined products. We even export to Canada from the Gulf Coast.
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 2:19 pm
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
22132 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 2:34 pm to
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The U.S. Refinery Mismatch Because of the U.S. shale boom (primarily from basins in Texas and North Dakota), America produces an abundance of light, sweet crude. However, most legacy American refineries (especially those on the Gulf Coast) were historically engineered to process heavier, high-sulfur (sour) crude imported from countries like Venezuela and Canada.These complex, legacy facilities (equipped with cokers and hydrocrackers) can process light sweet crude, but doing so is economically inefficient and can cause them to lose their operational advantage. As a result, the U.S. often exports a large portion of its light sweet crude and imports heavier crudes
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41394 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 2:37 pm to
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Now ask yourself why we’re not building refineries capable of processing own damn oil.


Because it’s much more profitable to refine heavier crudes



Any other brain busters?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16108 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 2:44 pm to
Wrong, historically they were built with sweet trains and sour trains. The only heavy crude was in California, Railroad Velley Nevade, and a play in Mississippi and Alabama. The Mississippi/Alabama crude made great asphalt. The Railroad Valley crude didn't even go through a crude unit. It went straight to a vacuum unit in a couple small refineries.

Canada had syncrude but not heavy crude production.

Whoever wrote this is a newbie and it is downright incorrect..
Posted by GoblinGuide
Member since Nov 2017
2148 posts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 3:13 pm to
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You mean with permitting under democrat regimes?


How many are even in the planning stage under the current Republican regime?
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