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re: The US remains a net IMPORTER of CRUDE OIL
Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:57 pm to ragincajun03
Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:57 pm to ragincajun03
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Depends on the picture you’re trying to paint. They’re both accurate, though RobbBobb lashed out at OP with stats that were different that what OP was pointing out.
The stats I gave were direct from EIA and accurate as could be. Anything over 45 API is technically condensate and not crude oil, other than congressional action legal definition. A refinery designed for light sweet crude in Oklahoma was shutdown because they couldn't do Canadian heavy when the pipeline from Cushing to P66 at Borger switched to that. They were getting around 15,000 BPD of light sweet from a connection to it. They had to rely on the new tight shale "crude" brought in by trucks and lost 30% capacity even with a preflash column, typical for light crude units. That put them into bankruptcy. I was going to buy that refinery in 2011 to ship to Libya for some Melitia crude on the Libyan/Tunisian border, but Qaddafi was overthrow.
Robbobb apparently didn't look at the lines for CRUDE OIL which even includes condensate
This post was edited on 6/13/26 at 8:03 pm
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Posted on 6/13/26 at 7:59 pm to RobbBobb
Did you see the lines which stated CRUDE OIL, not Total. Read correctly to get the facts
Posted on 6/13/26 at 8:01 pm to ragincajun03
CRUDE OIL people, not refined products along with ethane, propane an butane fractionated in a gas plant.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 8:21 pm to CitizenK
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Two were permitted and built and then went bankrupt in North Dakota while Obama was in office.
Citizen, I know you know this refinery stuff. I'd say when Obama was in office, the democrats were somewhat more sane. By the end of his term and through Biden's term many democrats thought we would wean ourselves of petroleum as a primary fuel source. And I suspect if they get in power they will try to get us to use wind and fairy piss to power our cars. I'd say now they very well may refuse to permit anything. They will try to get back at us.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 8:40 pm to CitizenK
never had a problem . St Charles parish condensate was a much higher quality than Cameron Parish. Texaco took care of us,
Posted on 6/13/26 at 8:51 pm to Trevaylin
The refinery which I have for sale, was 15 miles from and NGLs frac plant. The pentanes+ went to them which they blended with straight run gasoline then isomerized. I am told that it made really good gasoline.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 8:59 pm to Trevaylin
A brother in law worked on a seismic crew near Paradis one summer in high school. They came across several knolls surrounded by marsh and containing a marijuana field on the knoll
Posted on 6/13/26 at 9:08 pm to SlidellCajun
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The question remains
Why hasn’t trump made us energy independent?
By what mechanism?
Forcing oil companies to build new refineries capable of refining our oil?
By having the government build refineries, in effect nationalizing the oil and gas industry?
Posted on 6/13/26 at 9:23 pm to CitizenK
bennies and reds were the 1960's drug in St Charles Parish. But a thought about the used refinery business
If I wanted to build a new refinery/ethylene plant The capital cost would be split out 1/3 to process design/engineering, 1/3 to equipment purchase, and 1/3 to field construction. In the reuse business engineering/field construction should exist in both new and relocated facilities. The equipment purchase comparison between new and relocated is where your business is centered. New is pretty straight forward costing. relocated is negotiated price, minus removal, minus repair certification, minus optimal design, etc. The question is , could you ever sell into a first world quality environment or are you limited to Africa.
If I wanted to build a new refinery/ethylene plant The capital cost would be split out 1/3 to process design/engineering, 1/3 to equipment purchase, and 1/3 to field construction. In the reuse business engineering/field construction should exist in both new and relocated facilities. The equipment purchase comparison between new and relocated is where your business is centered. New is pretty straight forward costing. relocated is negotiated price, minus removal, minus repair certification, minus optimal design, etc. The question is , could you ever sell into a first world quality environment or are you limited to Africa.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 9:54 pm to Darth_Vader
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How long do you think it takes to build a refinery? Like even one?
With today's regulations, permits, environmental impact studies, and who knows what else, I imagine it would take years to build just one new refinery? During WW II it didn't take long at all, relatively speaking, to get those new refineries going. It CAN be done.
Posted on 6/13/26 at 10:08 pm to BFIV
Overall, the United States exports more total oil and petroleum products (around 10.7 million barrels per day) than it imports (around 7.9 million barrels per day), making it net exporter. However, looking strictly at raw crude oil, the U.S. remains a net importer. The country exports much of the light, sweet crude it produces, while importing heavier, sour crudes that domestic refineries are specifically designed to process.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 8:12 am to BFIV
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With today's regulations, permits, environmental impact studies, and who knows what else, I imagine it would take years to build just one new refinery? During WW II it didn't take long at all, relatively speaking, to get those new refineries going. It CAN be done.
Delivery of equipment alone takes 6 months to 1 year. Permits for new refineries already exist but they aren't funded because there really isn't a need inside the USA. The idea that we need brand new refineries unless we want to ship the fuels to California is not a sound one.
The refinery being built in Brownsville will use equipment and modules made in India and the products are for the international market. That is why an Indian company is behind it.
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