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re: The "they will just use a ladder" wall arguement
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:32 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:32 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If you need motion detectors to apprehend border crossers, why do you need a wall? Just set up sensors, and when they go off, send in the patrol.
The wall slows them down and increases capture rate. Effective synergy.
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:32 am to greygoose
quote:Congratulations. You have just added 15 or 20 minutes to the 10 hours that he will already be spending in the vicinity of the border
let me get this straight. Pablo is going to get a 30-50ft ladder from someone, put it up against the wall, (sensors would be activated at that point), climb the ladder, attached a 50ft rope securely to a vertical slat of steel, repel down, then run like Hell while Border Patrol is pursuing in a vehicle? How many do you think will be successful? How many do you think will be successful without any type of barrier?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:32 am to BugAC
quote:That's what I did.
No, i meant use your analytical skills to solve this problem in a practical sense from the point of an illegal trying to cross the border.
quote:
These "poor" immigrants don't have bows, weighted ropes, grappling hooks
Why not? They aren't cavemen. But even cavemen had bows and weighted ropes. And all it takes is a little scrap metal to make a grappling hook. This is very, very easy stuff. quote:Then make it a rope ladder. My god.
They are not experienced climbers nor do they have experience rappelling mountains, much less smooth steel sheets.
quote:But I did. I guess you didn't quite understand. The rope goes over the top horizontal bar and down the other side. You can grab either end of the rope from either side of the wall.
And FWIW, you haven't solved the problem of getting down, unless you are fastening suction cups to your feet to walk down.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:34 am to Korkstand
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Then make it a rope ladder. My god.
You ever use a 50 foot rope ladder?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:34 am to therick711
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No, we're saying the wall makes it difficult for groups as large as hundreds to do it simultaneously. It will also deter a great many from trying.
The left and anti-wallers assume this is what poor mexicans will use to scale the wall and they have infinite resources to acquire these.
Crafty Mexicans and their glass candy!
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:34 am to greygoose
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Good God! Are you really this dense? We don't have mass illegal immigration from our Canadian border, Atlantic or Pacific coast! The overwhelming issue is the Mexican border! We don't need to wall off the whole fricking country. Hell, we don't need to wall off the entire Mexican border, as there are natural obstacles already in place. The whole idea of a physical barrier is to stop or slow down the intruder. The Great Wall of China did not encompass the whole country, just the border where the Mongols would attempt invasion.
A locked door is much better than no door, and that is what we have at the current time.
You sound a bit flustered. Probably why you seem so emotionally attached to your position. Anyway...
Yes, current migration trends are over the Mexican/US land border. Build a wall there, and the "overwhelming" majority of migration will occur elsewhere. The fundamental question is how much migration would simply shift and how much would stop. If it all stops, great. If it all shifts, bad. Neither is likely. The question is where on the spectrum between the two reality would land.
The Great Wall is a horrible example. It was built to stop a massive, invading army, not to stop individual people from migrating. Tell me, how hard do you think it would have been for a handful of migrants to make it around this:
Your locked door/no door line is bullshite. Show me a single "gated community" that only guards a small fraction of possible ingress points.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:34 am to therick711
quote:Better accuracy but limited range.
Do you even ballista, bro?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:35 am to awestruck
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All they need to know is Juan three houses down, on the left, has one and makes a run every three days, and he'll roll out a rope ladder to help you down the other side. Show up... hop in.. Juan is the one!
wow the stupid is realPosted on 1/4/19 at 11:35 am to BugAC
Dude there are tunnels underneath the border already. Much more sophisticated than a ladder. Turns out, the cartel and the coyotes are crafty and they get people across the border however they can
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:36 am to Jbird
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Better accuracy but limited range.
If you're going to damage ramparts with the ingenuity of these Central Americans, I would imagine making a ballista is the way to go. THE TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE FIRST CENTURY. LIKE THEY COULDN'T MAKE ONE, BRO!
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:36 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:It also concentrates they little frickers into collection zones.
The wall slows them down and increases capture rate. Effective synergy.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:37 am to cahoots
quote:
Dude there are tunnels underneath the border already. Much more sophisticated than a ladder.
Imagine how many tunnels we will discover during the construction of the wall. Once the wall is in place, we can focus efforts on preventing tunnels. Good idea!
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:37 am to Korkstand
quote:
But even cavemen had bows and weighted ropes.
How many illegals have you seen carrying bows fashioned with grappling hooks?
quote:
Then make it a rope ladder. My god.
Again, how many Mexicans do you think are experienced enough to do this, a) quickly, b) safely?
quote:
The rope goes over the top horizontal bar and down the other side. You can grab either end of the rope from either side of the wall.
So, how do you secure the rope? You mentioned "a big rock", so now we are adding that to our wall scaling list?
Korkstands everyday southern border illegal immigrant invasion toolkit
1) Bow and arrow
2) Incredibly strong fishing string.
3) 100' plus of heavy duty rope.
4) Very strong illegals to throw the ropes.
5) A big rock.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:37 am to cahoots
quote:That's nice Clark real nice.
Dude there are tunnels underneath the border already. Much more sophisticated than a ladder. Turns out, the cartel and the coyotes are crafty and they get people across the border however they can
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:38 am to BugAC
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So, how do you secure the rope? You mentioned "a big rock", so now we are adding that to our wall scaling list?
To say nothing of how you get your big rock over the 50 foot wall in the first place.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:39 am to cahoots
quote:
Dude there are tunnels underneath the border already. Much more sophisticated than a ladder. Turns out, the cartel and the coyotes are crafty and they get people across the border however they can
How far down will they tunnel to get below the sheetpile and h-pile supported foundation?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:39 am to BugAC
quote:And yet, getting by a border wall is easier than that.
Fact of the matter, is that millions are living undetected, and/or are living in sanctuary cities that do not enforce immigration laws and actually encourage illegal immigration. So you are completely wrong, considering millions of illegals are doing exactly what you find so hard to do.
quote:Do you have any idea how tiresome it is trying to explain the simplest of concepts to even simpler people?
Your analytics is slipping.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:39 am to therick711
quote:Use the trebuchet we launched the kiddies over with!
To say nothing of how you get your big rock over the 50 foot wall in the first place.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:40 am to Jbird
Why when they've already deployed the ballista and knocked the wall down?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:41 am to therick711
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To say nothing of how you get your big rock over the 50 foot wall in the first place.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wants to shoot, with his bow and arrow, a fishing line over the wall. Then secure your heavy rope with this fishing line, and pull the heavy rope over the wall. Your rope will be knotted, but the knots will be small enough to pass between the sheets to secure back to your big rock.
And by the way, all of this will be a very quick process, as quick and easy as walking across an unsecured border.
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