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re: The "they will just use a ladder" wall arguement
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:54 am to cahoots
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:54 am to cahoots
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There is nothing analogous to the US Mexico border out there
There is plenty analogous. You contend there is nothing identical. I'm not sure that addresses that it will have a pareto efficacy. Again, reduction by 80% is a MASSIVE windfall for the US.
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:55 am to BugAC
The wall should be used as negotiations to get current laws strengthened and enforced
Trump had two years and failed. He needs to concede defeat and move on because he's already lost this one.
Trump had two years and failed. He needs to concede defeat and move on because he's already lost this one.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:55 am to BugAC
So to recap. The ideas to scale the wall from the anti-wall people is:
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All setup by this guy
All setup by this guy
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:56 am to russellvillehog
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PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THESE MFERs SURVIVE JUMPING OVER THE WALL
Someone actually scaled the 30-foot prototype wall in Calexico, and survived! He had a terrible fall, and suffered two broken legs, a broken pelvis, and some paralysis.
Like the old saw goes: no pain, no gain.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:57 am to tarzana
quote:Sweet now you don't have to chase the mother fricker through the brush to arrest him.
Someone actually scaled the 30-foot prototype wall in Calexico, and survived! He had a terrible fall, and suffered two broken legs, a broken pelvis, and some paralysis.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:58 am to therick711
Wait you think $5 billion will result in 80% reduction? You want to go on record with that prediction
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:59 am to BugAC
quote:The bow is just for shooting an arrow w/ fishing line over the top beam. The fishing line is for pulling a rope over. The grappling hooks would only be necessary if you're alone. Otherwise once the rope is over, and you can grab either end from either side, you hold one end for me, and I hold one end for you. It's really, really fricking simple.
How many illegals have you seen carrying bows fashioned with grappling hooks?
quote:How many Mexicans do I think can climb a ladder quickly? Is this a serious question?
Again, how many Mexicans do you think are experienced enough to do this, a) quickly, b) safely?
quote:No, that was just one of many options to do so. I said a big rock because maybe you can find one lying around. But with a steel slat wall you just need someone to hold the other end.
So, how do you secure the rope? You mentioned "a big rock", so now we are adding that to our wall scaling list?
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Korkstands everyday southern border illegal immigrant invasion toolkit
1) Bow and arrow
2) Incredibly strong fishing string.
3) 100' plus of heavy duty rope.
4) Very strong illegals to throw the ropes.
5) A big rock.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
1) How is a bow and arrow unreasonable?
2) If it's not strong enough to pull a rope over, then use the fishing line to pull some string/twine over, then use that to pull a rope over.
3) Now it's "heavy duty" rope to hold a person?
4) And "very strong" illegals to throw a rope? Nevermind there is no rope throwing.
5) No rocks necessary.
A single person can easily carry a bow/arrow, string, twine, small rope, big rope, all by himself. That and 2 or more people are all you need to make it over that wall that you posted. You might want some gloves and a knife, too.
You asked how to scale that wall, and I gave you a very viable answer. And it doesn't require any extravagant tools, materials, or skills. Just the resolve to get to the other side.
If you want another way, all you need is rope and a knife. Just tie rope from one slat to the next and make ladder rungs all the way to the top.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:59 am to greygoose
quote:A mass migration is not at issue. If only the majority announced when and were they coming over. How easy if they all lined up in mass and hollered, "Hey, come get us!". You do know the majority of illegal workers and migrants are from overstaying their visa? Fact is the larger problem is those legally crossing border.
Caravans of 10K-15K people have formed in attempt to breach our border.
. . . and for if there was ever a crowd spewing-nonsense' it's ever-Trumpeters.
... you guys feast on it... .. and for many the faker the nonsense the better. Dude - sounds as if you honestly believe everything your told, as if engaging the brain is too hard a task for you, as if you're seriously boarder-line retarded.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:01 pm to awestruck
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boarder-line retarded.
Wut
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:02 pm to Clyde Tipton
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The wall slows them down and increases capture rate.
Congrats on the only valid response.
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Effective synergy
You don't know if it's effective or not.
First you have to figure out what the increased rate is and calculate the cost to capture them compared to the cost of not capturing them. If you're spending more money on a wall than it would save in increased captures, it's not cost efficient.
But what do all the illegal immigrants contribute to GDP? Is it more or less than their cost to taxpayers?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:08 pm to therick711
quote:First of all, the "big rock" was in response to OP who couldn't think of a single thing to tie a rope to once you've scaled the wall with a ladder. Second, it takes a real dumb frick to think you have to throw the rock over the fence. The rope needs to be tied down on the side you came from if you're using a ladder to get up. The rope goes up and over and the loose end dangles on the US side.
To say nothing of how you get your big rock over the 50 foot wall in the first place.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
... simply returning his volley.
One borderline deserved another boarder-line.. even at the risk of being even more bored'er line.
He'd been lobbing the BS ... as if he has diarrhea... like crap through a (grey)goose.
One borderline deserved another boarder-line.. even at the risk of being even more bored'er line.
He'd been lobbing the BS ... as if he has diarrhea... like crap through a (grey)goose.
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:16 pm to BugAC
quote:Why there is any doubt at all that this is viable is a complete mystery to me.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wants to shoot, with his bow and arrow, a fishing line over the wall.
quote:Or, you know, pull a string, light rope, then "heavy" rope. And BTW this "heavy rope" weighs about 4 pounds per 100 feet.
Then secure your heavy rope with this fishing line, and pull the heavy rope over the wall.
quote:In the pic you posted, you can easily stick your arm between the slats.
Your rope will be knotted, but the knots will be small enough to pass between the sheets
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to secure back to your big rock.
frick the rock. You only need a rock to hold one end of the rope if you're alone. And I only said a rock because it's something you wouldn't have to haul for miles because they're all around. It's a simple solution to a simple problem, and for some reason you just can't wrap your head around it. quote:Now who the frick ever said that?
And by the way, all of this will be a very quick process, as quick and easy as walking across an unsecured border.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:31 pm to BugAC
quote:It is lightweight, cheap, and easy to do. I could easily get 100' of climbing rope over that top horizontal beam of your slat wall in under 5 minutes, by myself. At that point we've got a rope hanging down both sides, and we can access both ends of it from either side of the wall.
I'm sorry, but you're big rock and a bow is one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard.
If you just can't imagine regular people climbing a rope against a wall, then just use your ropes to pull up a rope ladder.
The slats make it really, really easy to scale the wall with minimal tools and materials.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:41 pm to BugAC
quote:Why? Isn't the wall only 30'? A small family can easily carry enough shorter ones to tie together later. Seriously, this isn't rocket science.
Your rope ladder would have to be at least 70-80 feet.
quote:I don't know how many times I have to explain this. In the photo you posted, there is a horizontal beam near the top of the slats.
You would need to secure it to something
quote:Jesus H. Do you really think people are walking 1000 miles, much less with no supplies? Do you know how much weight in food and water you'd need to haul? Do you think it's just vast empty desolation for a thousand miles?
How do you plan to carry a 70-80' rope ladder 1000 miles? These are poor immigrants, not crossfit champions.
Do you know how simple it is to make a rope ladder out of climbing rope? You just tie a loop every couple of feet. And again, this rope weighs less than 5 pounds per 100 feet. You can easily fit 200' of it in a backpack. A family can easily carry 1000' of rope any distance, crossfit champs or not.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:46 pm to Joshjrn
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I'm looking forward to seeing a bunch of red blooded capitalistic Americans creating a cottage industry selling ladders on the Mexican side of the border to save people the effort of transporting their own
na, they gonna go with the catapult method to get over it
you can see example of one of those catapults here -
LINK
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:50 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But what do all the illegal immigrants contribute to GDP? Is it more or less than their cost to taxpayers?
Is that really a valid idea? I don't think so because it's still relative to the US citizen. I'm just going to guess the average citizen contributes more, and costs less.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:52 pm to Korkstand
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And BTW this "heavy rope" weighs about 4 pounds per 100 feet.
Post a link of said rope.
quote:
You only need a rock to hold one end of the rope if you're alone.
I think you clarified you can't be alone if you are carrying all of that shite to the border.
quote:
It's a simple solution to a simple problem, and for some reason you just can't wrap your head around it.
Hmm, so you are going to scale the wall with a rope with knots on it, only secured on 1 side?
quote:
Now who the frick ever said that?
So the wall will substantially slow down the invaders?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:55 pm to Korkstand
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It is lightweight, cheap, and easy to do
Your big rock will have to weigh at least 250 lbs.
quote:
I could easily get 100' of climbing rope over that top horizontal beam of your slat wall in under 5 minutes, by myself.
This isn't mountain climbing. You are suggesting a rope with knots to go over the wall. This rope will need to be very heavy. Think of rappelling ropes from helicopters the special forces use.
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If you just can't imagine regular people climbing a rope against a wall
Have you ever climbed just a rope? It's not easy. Now take the every day malnourished south american, you think they can climb 30' vertically without a problem? Or do you think, maybe the prospect of having to scale a wall might be a deterrent?
quote:
The slats make it really, really easy to scale the wall with minimal tools and materials.
No, it doesn't. HOw many 30-40' slatted walls have you climbed over?
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:59 pm to Korkstand
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Why? Isn't the wall only 30'? A small family can easily carry enough shorter ones to tie together later. Seriously, this isn't rocket science.
So when did all of these poor south americans become expert knotsmen? You will need at least 70-80'. 30' up, 30' down, then however many feet to your big rock.
quote:
In the photo you posted, there is a horizontal beam near the top of the slats.
How do you plan on securing the rope to that top beam?
quote:
esus H. Do you really think people are walking 1000 miles, much less with no supplies?
I guess you didn't see the migrant caravan. Also, majority of the invaders are south american.
quote:
Do you know how simple it is to make a rope ladder out of climbing rope?
Does your average South American?
quote:
You just tie a loop every couple of feet. And again, this rope weighs less than 5 pounds per 100 feet.
Again, send me a link to this rope.
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