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re: The real issue with Ivy League Schools no one talks about
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:12 pm to Penrod
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:12 pm to Penrod
i dont know man... isnt a lot of that a biproduct of elite, well bred people sending their nepo babies all through the same institution? As if those kids werent going to be successful with a degree from somewhere else? Look at elite private high schools in your area.... fill those schools with ghetto trash and see what happens.
Conan OBrien went to Harvard in the early 80's and has repeatedly said its no more challenging than any other quality institution.
Conan OBrien went to Harvard in the early 80's and has repeatedly said its no more challenging than any other quality institution.
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:17 pm to Geauxgurt
They have plenty of money to hire more.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:21 pm to sorantable
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I’m sorry it upsets you, but Ivy League schools are private universities, and can admit who they want to.
Federally guaranteed student loans would like a word.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:23 pm to Ag Zwin
over 10% of their annual funding comes from tax payers.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:23 pm to Vacherie Saint
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i dont know man... isnt a lot of that a biproduct of elite, well bred people sending their nepo babies all through the same institution? As if those kids werent going to be successful with a degree from somewhere else?
You're right about that....which is why one of the most important things about these institutions is the networking opportunity. One that would be open to more people if they increased their enrollment.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
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over 10% of their annual funding comes from tax payers.
Which means the whole "they're private and can do what they want" thing is kinda silly.
And the other poster was right to mention federally backed loans as well
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:27 pm to Powerman
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Harvard as an example - they have a 53 billion dollar endowment ...private institutions that take public money and create greatly to false scarcity issues in elite education.
Great points. That's one subversive side to it.
Ivy League schools (like Harvard) also aren't just "schools"; they and their foreign students are extensions of bureaucratic "insiders" missions and agendas to do "research" and expeiments.
Stuff like this:
A Bill Gates Venture Aims To Spray Dust Into The Atmosphere To Block The Sun. What Could Go Wrong? Published Jan 11, 2021
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The Stratospheric Controlled Perturbation Experiment (SCoPEx), launched by Harvard University scientists, aims to examine this solution by spraying non-toxic calcium carbonate (CaCO3) dust into the atmosphere — a sun-reflecting aerosol that may offset the effects of global warming.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:36 pm to Powerman
The great grand children of the wealthy elite, as it turns out, are neither very smart or hard working.
These universities say they let in the poor to help them but in truth they need a boost to their schools average scores.
They let in the foreigners because they pay full tuition and are smart and hard working.
These universities say they let in the poor to help them but in truth they need a boost to their schools average scores.
They let in the foreigners because they pay full tuition and are smart and hard working.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:42 pm to Powerman
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Is quite simply the amount of students they let in
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Wasn't Harvard founded as a school to train ministers?
They've veered a long way from that path.
They've veered a long way from that path.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:46 pm to Powerman
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I'm not sure if you know how math works but they could hire additional instructors
Like any other job, there are only a very small number of elite professors in any single subject.
The top 20 universities probably have around 180k undergrad students enrolled at any given time. That is roughly 1% of college students which seems about the right balance for elite institutions. Most of them are going to have between 6 and 9 thousand undergrads, with Cornell being the private outlier and UCLA and UC Berkeley having much larger enrollments but IIRC they are the only T20 schools that are public.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:47 pm to Powerman
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Ivy Leagues have become somewhat of an elitist fraud at this point and don't serve society
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:50 pm to Vacherie Saint
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over 10% of their annual funding comes from tax payers.
This should absolutely stop unless it’s for research work that can only be done at those institutions.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:56 pm to Powerman
Ivies and a handful of other schools are tax-free hedge funds who conduct research and teach on the side. They also give preference - to foreigners often - who can pay full boat for tuition. For others, they can give "scholarships" in the form of discounted tuition and hook them up with the sweet, sweet fedgov't dollars.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 6/6/25 at 4:03 pm to Geauxgurt
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Should they be taxed in some form? Sure, I think that is reasonable if they are not using them to a degree, but acting like private and public schools are in the same situation shows lack of critical thinking
Donation is tax deductible, donation is tax free income for the school and grows tax-free in the hedge fund. I’m assuming the hedge fund manager is taxed on his fee.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 4:06 pm to Powerman
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I reject the idea that they're fully private when they receive money from the government
Public money should equal public institution with priority on citizen students.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 5:47 pm to Powerman
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quite simply the amount of students they let in
Maybe they don’t have room??? I imagine their old campuses are pretty landlocked, not much room left to add buildings
Posted on 6/6/25 at 5:49 pm to Powerman
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But I think the point is....if they weren't scum bags they would increase their enrollment
They may not have the infrastructure to support more students. I have no idea if they do or don’t, it’s just a thought.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 5:54 pm to Geauxgurt
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Why? You realize they produce better students in two ways:
1) more selective starting point
2) low student to instructor ratios (ie smaller class sizes)
According to you, they should ignore those two factors because you don’t like how they do things.
Education deteriorates when you have more students per instructor.
You forgot how they indoctrinate rather than educate.
The primary value of the degree is so that they can say. "I am an ivy leaguer" to older ivy league grads who got their jobs the same way.
Everyone complains about the shite "leadership" we have now but they don't look at where the largest slice of it comes from.
The Ivy League has all the advantages and has failed the country.
(I went to a school considered their peer by the way so your bullshite implying jealousy does not apply.)
Posted on 6/6/25 at 6:02 pm to Powerman
They aren’t schools. They are corporations posing as schools.
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