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re: The price on this Economy IS NOT WORTH it @ this death rate- Sorry
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:08 pm to SickGainzLP
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:08 pm to SickGainzLP
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The number you need to look at is the percent of people who require intensive care to survive and recover. That number is astronomical. If the ICUs get overwhelmed you have Italy. Understand?
Fine
What level of economic harm is acceptable to prevent this?
2 year small recession?
4 year deep recession?
5 plus year depression?
Name your price. Because all of you assholes seem incapable of doing this calculus
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:10 pm to ShortyRob
How much is your life worth?
People believe in self preservation above almost everything.
People believe in self preservation above almost everything.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:11 pm to jcaz
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Maybe hospitals should get their shite together. Or the feds and state health departments should have plans to make mobile, mass casualty units like MASH.
What does this mean exactly? Hospitals already staff and equip themselves to a surge (6X the average month)of upper respiratory patients because of flu season. Are you suggesting we should, in addition to that, have hospitals that are 5 times as large so that we can manage a once in a century pandemic?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:11 pm to SportTiger1
Pretty sure you would be singing an entirely different tune if it were you, your children, mother, father etc. it’s easy to write someone’s else’s death off that you don’t know as a %.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:11 pm to OchoDedos
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Then turn all of over to the Military. The Government has vast range lands, build hospitals, seal them off. That's what we did for polio, tb, yellow fever, etc. We put thousands in camps during WW2, nobody lost their minds over that.
You wouldn't even have to build hospitals. Hospitals, especially in rural parts of the country, having been closing down consistently over the last decade. We had one in Kansas close down last week. Several others have closed in the last couple of years. All they would need would to do would disinfect everything and turn the utilities on. You could then modify the rooms to suit the needs for this.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:12 pm to fargobison
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Italy is locked down right now, so you want to be a country where this is ravaging the health care system and is locked down economically?
So you would rather be an economic basket case, and expose ourselves geopolitically to those bad actors who would definitely take advantage of our weakened economy. We will lose far more in a war, with China and Russia, than we would ever lose to this nonsense. Or would you rather just roll over.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:14 pm to SickGainzLP
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hear you but the fear is the infectivity would overwhelm ICUs and then its check mate
What does check mate mean...thats what people won't answer.
Is it 30k deaths? 100k? 1m?
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:15 pm to 88Wildcat
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You wouldn't even have to build hospitals. Hospitals, especially in rural parts of the country, having been closing down consistently over the last decade. We had one in Kansas close down last week. Several others have closed in the last couple of years. All they would need would to do would disinfect everything and turn the utilities on. You could then modify the rooms to suit the needs for this.
Space isn't the issue - vents, gowns, masks, docs, nurses, techs, and qualified environmental services workers. We need to surge all of that.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:16 pm to SickGainzLP
I know what the numbers are. I’m asking you what they are.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:17 pm to fargobison
I do agree that this isn't sustainable for more than a month or so but right now this is like a pause so things can get ramped up. Make more vents, ppe and have real plans in place in case areas are completely overwhelmed.
People talk about flattening the curve but this is also creating surge capacity so even if you can't flatten it the situation doesn't spiral completely out of control like Italy has.
People talk about flattening the curve but this is also creating surge capacity so even if you can't flatten it the situation doesn't spiral completely out of control like Italy has.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:17 pm to Redleg Guy
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How much is your life worth?
People believe in self preservation above almost everything.
If the economy collapses for good then society collapses then their "self-preservation" better involve being a good shot.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:19 pm to Redleg Guy
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How much is your life worth?
Mine is not worth 50 people on this site losing their jobs and livelihood.
It is to ME, but I wouldn't expect everyone to stop their lives.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:19 pm to fargobison
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so things can get ramped up. Make more vents, ppe and have real plans in place in case areas are completely overwhelmed.
I’m fine with that.
We have the mechanical capacity for hundreds of thousands of cases of this virus. The labor capacity isn’t going to radically change in the next three months. The vaccine won’t be available in three months. And the cats who proposed we shelter in place for 18 months don’t think that will keep anyone from being infected, just slow the rate of them being infected.
So once we get our ducks in a row, we need to go back to life.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:19 pm to 88Wildcat
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You wouldn't even have to build hospitals. Hospitals, especially in rural parts of the country, having been closing down consistently over the last decade. We had one in Kansas close down last week. Several others have closed in the last couple of years. All they would need would to do would disinfect everything and turn the utilities on. You could then modify the rooms to suit the needs for this.
You know what happens in rural hospitals when people get really sick? They ship them out to regional medical centers that can treat them. This isn't really a solution if you don't have the people and resources to care for the critically ill.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:23 pm to SickGainzLP
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The number you need to look at is the percent of people who require intensive care to survive and recover. That number is astronomical. If the ICUs get overwhelmed you have Italy. Understand?
Anyone that does not understand this is a fricking moron. I am never disappointed by the brain dead idiots trolling this site...you always deliver.
This post was edited on 3/20/20 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:24 pm to the808bass
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I’m fine with that.
We have the mechanical capacity for hundreds of thousands of cases of this virus. The labor capacity isn’t going to radically change in the next three months. The vaccine won’t be available in three months. And the cats who proposed we shelter in place for 18 months don’t think that will keep anyone from being infected, just slow the rate of them being infected.
So once we get our ducks in a row, we need to go back to life.
Praying this is what some people in charge of things are thinking. It damn well better be.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:26 pm to SportTiger1
For those of you who would prefer Italy's situation, why don't you check and see how things are going in their economy these days....
I'll wait
I'll wait
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:27 pm to Dallasgrowl
He didn’t answer. So why don’t you give it a go.
How many positive coronavirus cases do we need to overwhelm the 748 ICU beds in St Louis? (Charitably assuming we cannot use LTACs or other beds in the hospitals.)
How many positive coronavirus cases do we need to overwhelm the 748 ICU beds in St Louis? (Charitably assuming we cannot use LTACs or other beds in the hospitals.)
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:27 pm to Squidbaggins32
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something doesn't smell right.
Came to post this. CV is a battle but not the war. Trump has cut off the trillions of our treasure that the swamp has been doling out to the rest of the world for decades, as their populations shrink,their governments grow heavy in debt.
He’s not wrecking our economy, he’s destroiying the rest of the world’s, to make ours stronget.
Posted on 3/20/20 at 7:27 pm to the808bass
I'm not going to cut and paste from what I linked you to aid in whatever childish point you are attempting here dude. Take it or leave it.
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