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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 4/25/22 at 7:15 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 4/25/22 at 7:15 pm to Chromdome35
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For Good: Substantial (20K+) forward movement of the front lines across the majority of the front. Mediocre: 10K forward movement of the front lines across 50% of the front.
Bad: Anything less than Mediocre.
And this is based on what exactly?
I would imagine anything cleaner thank the previous 2 months is improvement. I am interested to see if they can adapt to the war.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:37 pm to JayDeerTay84
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And this is based on what exactly?
Nothing more than my own personal thresholds by which I would consider the question of bad, good, mediocre. Yours probably varies from mine.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 3:11 am to lowspark12
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It will have been a complete and total disaster if that happens… Russia will likely have some territorial gains, but a heavy price… and their (likely) pre-war goals of regime change, fracturing the west, curtailing NATO expansion, etc will be failures.
At least Putin didn’t leave $300 billion (20% of a year’s GDP in Russia) in Western banks to be frozen by sanctions when he pulled the trigger on the invasion.
Because that would be like leaving your wallet with Saddam while invading Iraq, and then being routed before taking Baghdad.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:54 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Anyone been watching translations of Russian state tv? It's a hoot; almost telegraphing what we can expect in the future (e.g., Transnistria). If you have, you might have noticed Olga Skabeyeva. Not bad for a Russian.


Posted on 4/26/22 at 3:10 pm to Bengalbio
What does Russian state tv say they have planned for Transnistria?
Posted on 4/26/22 at 3:15 pm to Bengalbio
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Not bad for a Russian.
ok hang on a minute - we can argue politics, left vs right, commie vs free etc etc
I grew up in the 80s with Red Dawn (WOLVERINES!) and Rambo and learned "better dead than red" as a child...
all that being said... Russians / Eastern European women are smoking hot, saying "not bad for a Russian" makes zero sense to me
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:06 pm to nopants
War could see Ukraine's population fall by a third
by University of St Andrews.
"With long-term political and economic instability, refugees are not only unlikely to return, but young adults and families still in Ukraine may also decide to leave the country eventually."
The researchers conducted a series of population projections to assess the impact of the invasion calculated on the basis of potential deaths, refugees and their likelihood of staying abroad for a long period.
The UN, which is working alongside other organisations to provide help to people in Ukraine, says it is offering humanitarian assistance "wherever necessary and possible". This includes:
giving cash to people for basics like food and rent
delivering supplies from west to east, including food and tarpaulins for homes damaged by shelling
providing folding beds to people in bomb shelters
setting up reception and transit points for internally-displaced people
About 12 million people are also thought to be stranded or unable to leave areas affected by the fighting.
The EU has granted Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout its 27 member nations for up to three years.
They will also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schools.
bbc
These numbers are to low imho. Jody is just getting started.
Option A. Stay on the front line in a proxy war between NATO and Russia.
Option B. Free vacation for at least three years.
by University of St Andrews.
"With long-term political and economic instability, refugees are not only unlikely to return, but young adults and families still in Ukraine may also decide to leave the country eventually."
The researchers conducted a series of population projections to assess the impact of the invasion calculated on the basis of potential deaths, refugees and their likelihood of staying abroad for a long period.
The UN, which is working alongside other organisations to provide help to people in Ukraine, says it is offering humanitarian assistance "wherever necessary and possible". This includes:
giving cash to people for basics like food and rent
delivering supplies from west to east, including food and tarpaulins for homes damaged by shelling
providing folding beds to people in bomb shelters
setting up reception and transit points for internally-displaced people
About 12 million people are also thought to be stranded or unable to leave areas affected by the fighting.
The EU has granted Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout its 27 member nations for up to three years.
They will also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schools.
bbc
These numbers are to low imho. Jody is just getting started.
Option A. Stay on the front line in a proxy war between NATO and Russia.
Option B. Free vacation for at least three years.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:15 pm to QboveTopSecret
I have been thinking about that. Sure, we can pump in weapons for years, but are there going to be any Ukrainian males left to keep the conflict going?
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:36 pm to Bunk Moreland
Or the will to fight when your family has left, with no plans to return. The answer to that is no.
Russia’s Not-So-Secret Weapon Against NATO and the West: Refugees. This new hybrid warfare was used in Syria.
In July 2021, Moscow’s puppet regime in Belarus began brutally driving thousands of desperate migrants to the Polish border. The forced migration was part of the hybrid warfare strategy designed by Moscow, and the West was ill-prepared for it.
Among the assumed blessings of this brave new world was the “right of migration,” which would help erase nations determining their own culture, economies, and polity.
You can blame the globalists for that.
But pushing for a borderless world not only undermined the stability of the nation-state; it created new vectors for bad actors to attack their enemies. As an institutional policy, the right of migration has failed the test and left us tap dancing through a minefield of social, economic, and political problems.
Posted on 4/26/22 at 11:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
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have been thinking about that. Sure, we can pump in weapons for years, but are there going to be any Ukrainian males left to keep the conflict going?
The vast majority of the refugees are women and children, old and young. Most of the military age males have stayed behind to fight.
The Ukraine Army can train and equip about 150,000 infantrymen and about 30,000 specialists every 90 days. There is currently a several month backlog of men signed up and waiting for training.
That training capacity appears to be at least 5x and maybe as high as 15x the rate of combat attrition.
The Ukraine army is getting stronger, larger, better equipped, and better trained with each passing day. They're not about to run out of men without a paradigm shift in the battlefield (nuclear or chemical weapons).
Posted on 4/26/22 at 11:59 pm to No Colors
In my opinion, Ukraine is just buying time right now until the muddy season is over by which time they will have more troops in the battle than Russia. They will have had time to train and integrate some of the newer systems they've been provided.
Supposedly, Ukraine has more tanks on the battlefield than Russia does now...Where are they?
When the ground firms up, Ukraine is going to launch a major counteroffensive using modern NATO provided weapon systems including waves of suicide drones. They will push Russia back to the original pre 2014 borders and will try to regain Crimea. They will at least cut it off from land resupply.
Supposedly, Ukraine has more tanks on the battlefield than Russia does now...Where are they?
When the ground firms up, Ukraine is going to launch a major counteroffensive using modern NATO provided weapon systems including waves of suicide drones. They will push Russia back to the original pre 2014 borders and will try to regain Crimea. They will at least cut it off from land resupply.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:17 am to No Colors
Where’s my cheap cooler, Chinaboi?
ETA: Remember the time you used TD to promote your business? Receipts
Show me the refugee breakdown of women, children, men. Then show me how many male fighting age volunteers are currently flooding into Ukraine to fight.
ETA: Remember the time you used TD to promote your business? Receipts
Show me the refugee breakdown of women, children, men. Then show me how many male fighting age volunteers are currently flooding into Ukraine to fight.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 1:29 am
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:19 am to QboveTopSecret
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Or the will to fight when your family has left, with no plans to return. The answer to that is no.
Russia’s Not-So-Secret Weapon Against NATO and the West: Refugees. This new hybrid warfare was used in Syria.
Among the assumed blessings of this brave new world was the “right of migration,” which would help erase nations determining their own culture, economies, and polity. You can blame the globalists for that. . . .
The real tragedy of the special military operation is the fact that the Ukrainian refugees are being given succor in other countries, eh?
And we have the globalists to blame. Chuckle.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 2:21 am
Posted on 4/27/22 at 6:32 am to Chromdome35
This is when Putin will do something drastic and deadly.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 7:40 am to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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This is when Putin will do something drastic and deadly.
Agreed. I don’t think he will do that to save the Donbas, but the Crimea is a different matter.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 8:15 am to Chromdome35
This is exactly what’s going to happen. Ukraine isn’t going to be satisfied with pre Feb24th borders.
They will have the equipment, morale, and moral standing to pursue 2014 borders.
Russia should sue for peace now, otherwise no one is going to feel bad for them when Ukraine says “nah” in a few months except drooling, wheezing posters on this board.
They will have the equipment, morale, and moral standing to pursue 2014 borders.
Russia should sue for peace now, otherwise no one is going to feel bad for them when Ukraine says “nah” in a few months except drooling, wheezing posters on this board.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 10:28 am to mauser
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What does Russian state tv say they have planned for Transnistria?
The Russians want to take all of southern Ukraine and link up with Transnistria. It was either the Ukrainians or the Moldovans who knocked out Transnistria’s radio towers so that Russian propaganda in the region was stopped.
Some people think it was possibly the Transnistrians themselves who sabotaged the towers in a move to get Russia involved in Moldova.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 10:32 am to Chromdome35
What you’re describing is a NATO/Pentagon wet dream… not saying it won’t happen, but Russia will have a say in it.
As the saying goes… your enemy gets a vote.
As the saying goes… your enemy gets a vote.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 10:40 am to Dataisbeautiful
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Russia should sue for peace now
As long as Putin is in charge this will not happen. His world view is so warped that he thinks the Russian military is equal to the West, even after they got smashed in northern Ukraine.
His fallback is the nuclear option. Whether his closest advisers would go along with his decision to launch nukes is unknown. However, it can be assumed that he would definitely push the red button if it’s left up to him.
I’ve read where Putin would need another person to assist him in the physical act of launching nuclear weapons. We have to hope that there aren’t two megalomaniac psychopaths who would act jointly to bring armageddon on the world.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:43 pm to No Colors
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The vast majority of the refugees are women and children, old and young. Most of the military age males have stayed behind to fight.
The Ukraine Army can train and equip about 150,000 infantrymen and about 30,000 specialists every 90 days. There is currently a several month backlog of men signed up and waiting for training.
That training capacity appears to be at least 5x and maybe as high as 15x the rate of combat attrition.
The Ukraine army is getting stronger, larger, better equipped, and better trained with each passing day. They're not about to run out of men without a paradigm shift in the battlefield (nuclear or chemical weapons).
Ukrainians hate for Moscow is rooted in a deep generational family memory. Stalin "exiled" 5 to 6 million of the elite of Ukraine. They were never seen again. He then starved another 5 to 6 million to death while he exported grain for cash.
That history won't be forgotten. Ukrainians have more than the will to fight, they want revenge.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 12:45 pm
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