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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:34 am to
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:34 am to
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The Russian Empire coexisted along side NATO for several decades before it fell apart. Not because NATO invaded, but because those living within the Russian Empire wanted to be in the west


The smaller Baltic states make a ton of sense in joining nato. The larger ones on Russia’s border didn’t want none. These countries aren’t stupid. They know full well the demands of the US once you kiss the ring. The US controls your arse once you agree to join nato. Just look at the threats the US has been dishing out to countries that won’t condemn Russia. Everyone in the world knows what the US is doing here. We made calls to every country to condemn Russia, or else….through threats, intimidation, and coercion. The US isn’t physically taking over countries (most of the time), but they slither their way in and ultimately dominate. It’s manifest destiny of the 21st century, forcing US hegemony. If they don’t comply, we will destroy your country from within. We have a long, steep history of this. We install puppets who will do what we say, which ultimately is more progress to our desire for globalization. We stepped too far in Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan. Those color revolutions didn’t work. If they did, Russia was next. Putin sees this. The US will keep pushing and more shite will get pushed back on us.

The end result is loss of confidence in the US and the US dollar. I think this is the beginning of the devaluing of the US dollar, unless we go scorched earth in our physicality. Every person on the planet that has threatened to go off central banks and the IS dollar ends up dead. There’s a real war starting between western globalists and nationalistic countries all over the world. These countries are tired of our shite. They are all starting to band together. Hell, for countries in Africa, it may be their only chance to industrialize, because the green energy west radicals won’t allow them to, keeping them in perpetual poverty that leads to the deaths of millions every year. Meanwhile, we use their black child slave labor to mine our precious metals for our green products.

I lost a lot of interest in this regional conflict after the first week and a half. No more big explosions. I haven’t stopped watching how the world’s countries are aligning though. I think this is going to be massive. We are about to see a big shift in the next 5-10 years and none of it will be good for the US unless we get very creative and ditch the green energy policies. At least bring the real climate scientists to the table in a public forum to quell the anxiety and fear of everyone

I’m not even sure where I’m going with all of this. Just pay attention to the big picture. Watch what countries are doing to hoard their food supply and fertilizer, etc. these things were already rolling a few years before Ukraine happened. There were conversations here about it. I think there are big countries out there that have been planning for this for years

Just last year there were several articles in India about the fertilizer shortage and the military had to come in and protect the stock of fertilizer. China really shut down their exports. Now throw Russia in the mix, and we could be looking at huge problems.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:35 am to
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The analysis coming from sites like southfront don’t have anywhere near the propaganda I see in the west.
Besides being a Russian website with a very pro-Russian bias, I agree, there's no bias
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:39 am to
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Zelensky said women were raped and killed in front of children. Propaganda is in full desperado mode.

THey're just saying absurd shite and hoping something sticks.
That was reported elsewhere about 2 weeks ago. Is it just now showing up on CNN?
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:46 am to
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.Which may or may not have been backed by Soros (CIA was certainly involved


It was. There’s a famous video of the CIA director getting off the plane with US diplomats Ukraine right after the coup was complete. It was clear to everyone at the time. People were long talking about the CIA’s involvement long before that, which shouldn’t surprise anyone because it’s what they do. They have overthrown countries covertly almost 70 times, and we left a path of destruction everywhere. Civil wars still exist in these countries, which have been relegated to 3rd world shite holes. Venezuela is the most glaring example. A once rich country, loaded with oil and quite prosperous. The jewel of Central America. It’s been reduced to rubble and a 3rd world country. The CIA did this, along with dozens of other countries. We leave a path of destruction everywhere. All because the leader there wouldn’t bend the knee to us
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 11:48 am
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:51 am to
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So don’t trust US media, but we should trust a Russian website with suspected ties to the Kremlin


Not completely. Although, I’m smart enough to delineate bull shite from real reporting. One actual decent thing about that site is they write a small paragraph and then show a video that backs up their claims. Anyway, I do what I normally do, I store the information in the back of my mind and just wait until I see more evidence that gives credence to the reporting.

Much like early reports about Ukrainian soldiers not letting people leave through humanitarian corridors, sometimes killing them. Didn’t believe at first, until a few weeks passed and reporters from several different countries interviewed hundreds of these people with the same story. A few in particular stuck out, which were claiming Ukrainian soldiers were putting huge weapons in their back yards, in residential areas. I quickly remembered that picture of the anti aircraft weapons wedged in between 2 apartment buildings. After all that, I knew it was true. This is a well known cia tactic to draw out wars. They implore these tactics in every country they want to draw out wars in.

Of course, the flaming lolly pop guild on the OT deny it because it runs against their fantasy narrative. This shite is real. It happens. It’s war, and why civilians die. It’s why the US has targeted sensitive sites as well in their wars and bombings. They know where the soldiers are hiding. The media emotionally says stuff like this to manipulate people and get them angry, implying they are blowing up kids when these facilities are full of soldiers
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:55 am to
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Dude stop lying. Everyone knows that Southfront is an FSB disinformation site


Try reading it. The daily progress reports seem pretty straight forward and I haven’t seen much evidence that they are embellishing for Russia. They talk about set backs and failures. It’s a much more honest assessment than whatever the frick people on the Ot are getting, which has them believing complete domination by Ukraine

As I’ve said before, you can’t delineate the truth by just listening to us propaganda, which has a running tally of about 100 lies, and really laughable lies, at that. It’s honestly embarrassing. I’m not even sure what they are trying to accomplish
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 11:57 am
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 12:15 pm to
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That was reported elsewhere about 2 weeks ago. Is it just now showing up on CNN?


Where the fck did you hear that? This is first I'm hearing of it and it's CNN quoting Zelensky.

First they say Russians are dying, starving due to disrupted supply lines and poor logistics, and freezing their asses off(literally), then they report Russians are killing for fun and raping.

Two narratives don't seem compatible. What does seem plausible is Ukraine's dire situation in the East and they are desperate to create some kind of outrage and hope fake news in the west can help push it. Which CNN, MSNBC, NBC, and even Fox to a lesser degree will willingly do so.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 12:18 pm to
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I haven’t seen much evidence that they are embellishing for Russia.


You are entirely full of shite.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 12:23 pm to
All I read is the daily progress every 3-4 days. It’s the most detailed out there. Stay in your bubble and continue to display your unabated ignorance. I see no evidence of embellishment
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 12:25 pm to
Is that where you got your intel that Russia had destroyed almost all of Ukraine's military infrastructure and thus concluded that the narratives about Ukrainian successes in Western media were BS?
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 12:26 pm
Posted by TigerAttorney
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 12:54 pm to
If you watch Fox “we need to send tanks and air support and drive the Russians out. They are on the ropes.” I don’t want to know what the rest of the MSM is saying. Anyone know what’s really going on?
Posted by lowspark12
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:09 pm to
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Anyone know what’s really going on?


Russia has retreated from their northern fronts back to Belorussian and Russian boarders (tho some units may still be on Ukrainian side)…the attempted encirclement of Kyiv is over.

Those Russian units that have pulled back from the north are being (or will be) redeployed in the east as Russia attempts to control Donbas and defeat Ukrainian JFO.

That pretty much sums it up… gonna be a lot less open source info moving forward now that the fighting is almost all in eastern Ukraine.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:10 pm to
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All I read is the daily progress every 3-4 days. It’s the most detailed out there. Stay in your bubble and continue to display your unabated ignorance. I see no evidence of embellishment

You keep shitting on everyone for using sources that you don’t trust while constantly citing a sketchy Russian website with ties to the Kremlin. Do you believe Russia was justified in invading Ukraine?
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:12 pm to
Putin started this war claiming Ukraine had no right to exist. It's going to exist at the end of this conflict. Russia has left Northern Ukraine claiming it accomplished its mission. If/how much territory Ukraine loses to Russia will be determined by what happens next.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:18 pm to
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while constantly citing a sketchy Russian website with ties to the Kremlin.


By the way, Southfront had assets frozen by the Treasury department last month for being Russian state disinfo.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:40 pm to
It looks like the video showing Ukrainians executing Russians after an ambush is legit LINK

They geolocated the video and may have identified some of the soldiers

Btw for the "western media is lies" people, this was done by the NYT

The most damning part of the video is that you can clearly see that at least one of the Russians has his hands tied. Killing the (probably) mortally wounded Russian.. meh. Maybe technically not legal but morally I think a mercy killing is understandable. Maybe it's a gray area at best.

But killing someone who has their hands tied.. that's a pretty clear sign of an illegal execution of a prisoner of war
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted by REG861
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:45 pm to
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quote: A video posted online on Monday and verified by The Times appears to show Ukrainian soldiers killing captured Russian troops outside a village west of Kyiv on or around March 30, as the Russians were withdrawing. I'll thread some findings here: LInk to the article


But it’s the New York Times. MSM propaganda. Therefore it never happened. Those are the rules. Sorry Putin bros.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:48 pm to
Now that I think about it some more, mercy killing is probably not easy to justify since they should have had a combat medic with them, right? Presumably they would have morphine or something. I guess the right thing to do would be to at least assess the wounded person and give morphine to ease the pain. That's a more morally defensible way to prevent unnecessary suffering than just mercy killing them

In this case I guess it's pointless to debate the morality of mercy killing since they were executing them regardless
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:49 pm to
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But it’s the New York Times. MSM propaganda. Therefore it never happened. Those are the rules. Sorry Putin bros.
Oh damn... checkmate. Shucks I fell for fake news again
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:03 pm to
Fwiw it appears to be the Georgian Legion (foreign fighters from Georgia) who did the executions LINK
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