re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

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If the Russians did not invade the Ukraine there would be no AA batteries in cities, no cities would be shelled and no civilians would be war casualties, right?

Russia is clearly the instigator if all this and there is no moral or ethical reason to justify their invasion.

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Well said. Every battle in this war has been fought on Ukrainian soil.

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War in Ukraine has been going on for 8 years, with nationalists in Ukraine killing Russian separatists. 83% in Russia support the war- that means Putin clearly had good enough motive to sell this costly war.

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So we have Ukrainians fighting each other in a civil war.
Russia decides to intercede. Why? Because they want control over parts of a neighboring country.
Hitler did the same kind of stuff to justify his takeover of Austria and then Czechoslovakia.
Sure Putin has his motive, but it’s not as a peacemaker or as a guardian of mankind. He is power hungry and has the desire to extend the Russian empire.
And as ffar as the 83%; who cares if this is really factual or not because none of these people have any say so. Putin like Stalin before him dictates policy, the Russian people have no voice. They just suffer and die.

No i dont

But you dont know whats true and whats not but you all act like you do

Its amazing to witness

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You don’t trust anything that comes from the US Media, but you trust Russian media?

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Exactly. The same little group blasts CNN, Fox, the NYT and all western media outlets. They know few heretrust these outlets and why should we, they are corrupt.
But we also know the Russian media is corrupt too and they trumpet whatever the Russians put out there.
Why is that?
We know why.

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But we also know the Russian media is corrupt too and they trumpet whatever the Russians put out there.
Why is that?
We know why.

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Right. So?

Maybe, but the Ukrainians in the east were begging for Russia to come in and help for years before he actually did. The vote over 90% for pro Russian politicians in those two states/provinces. The southern states vote extremely high has well. Most of the energy in Ukraine is in these areas, as well as the southern parts, so that’s a bigger reason to add these areas to Russia. Most of the population are in the east and south. I don’t think Putin cares about Kiev other than to remove us backed government

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If NATO and/or the US had not inserted itself into Ukrainian affairs, there would be no invasion. Russia, not just Putin, consider NATO a military threat. They have made that perfectly clear.

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That is debatable. Here is why; did Poland, Hungary, Czecheoslovokia, Finland, Aphganistan, Georgia, and Crimea all suffer from Russian invasions? It wasn’t because of NATO.

The Eastern European countries fear Russia, and they naturally turn to NATO for help. Why wouldn’t they? NATO is strong militarily and economically. Who wouldn’t want to live under their protective umbrella.

The facts are the Russian Empire had fought their neighbors for decades. The Chinese, the Japanese, the Poles, the Finns and on and on. The Russian Bear isn’t likely to ever stay home.

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Russian separatists shouldn’t be in Ukraine. They should just move to Russia if they want to be apart of it so much. They’re nothing more than terrorists, end of story.

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Idiotic argument. They lived there for centuries. It's their land. The country had a Western backed coup and hard line nationalists came to power banning use of Russian language and generally oppressing minorities- Russian and Hungarians.

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Yeah and 95% of Chinese citizens will support an invasion of Taiwan, and 99% of North Koreans want Kim Jong Un as their leader. Reason why it isn’t 100% in any of those countries, it’s because they “believe in free speech”.

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Way to make a strawman argument. If Taiwan was waging attacks on ethnic Chinese for 8 years, then this would be apples to apples comparison.

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Bull shite. US had no justification for invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, or getting itself involved in Middle Eastern affairs. Russia had no justification getting involved in Afghanistan, Georgia, Syria, and now Ukraine. The justifications for Russia invading Ukraine are asinine, and anyone who thinks otherwise, is a fool, who is a traitor to this country.

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Now you're just starting to sound like Hillary.

Everyone is a traitor except you,, right? You're the biggest patriot, because spending our tax money on coups and other countries military is what is patriotic.

dr90210 are you upvoting your own posts? I posted right after you and you already have an upvote lmao

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That is debatable. Here is why; did Poland, Hungary, Czecheoslovokia, Finland, Aphganistan, Georgia, and Crimea all suffer from Russian invasions? It wasn’t because of NATO.

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That is debatable.

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No. It is not debatable. That is the point and the tragedy of it.

Not just Putin, but the entire Russian politick made it crystal clear.
NATO incorporation of Georgia and/or Ukraine into NATO was a "bright red line" that Russia perceived as a threat to its national interest. And btw, the Russian invasion of Crimea was d/t NATO, so btw was Georgia.