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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 4/6/22 at 9:57 am to doubleb
Posted on 4/6/22 at 9:57 am to doubleb
Like I said before. The analysis coming from sites like southfront don’t have anywhere near the propaganda I see in the west. Read their daily updates. The extreme and obvious lies and fear spreading in the west is getting so tiresome. People, and mainly politicians, are acting absolutely hysterical. Why do you think that is? Because they have a lot at stake there that goes beyond US hegemony and they will blow your tax dollars to protect their assets. Maybe the international bankers are forcing their hand. Russian diplomats are calm as hell acting like this is business as usual. The US’s bloviating doesn’t phase Russia at all because they know it’s just political bs and the ridiculous lies will fall under their own weight, which they have.
Yet, the OT mentally deranged sloths just keep believing the same intelligence that has lied repeatedly to the American public, many times under oath. The same intelligence that conspired to destroy a sitting president. The same intelligence that spy on American citizens and lied about it. The same intelligence that said the laptop was Russian disinformation. The same intelligence that created the crack epidemic in black communities to help fund their illegal operations over seas. The same intelligence that started color revolutions and coups in over 70 countries. The same intelligence that labeled regular American citizens at school boards terrorists. The same intelligence that is labeling anyone who they deem spreading misinformation (truth) as terrorists. The same intelligence that targeted poor/mentally unstable people, creating and then foiling their own terrorist plots to get more funding. The same intelligence that set up the whitmer kidnapping. The same intelligence that showed up in mass on Jan 6th to encourage unsuspecting people to go into the capitol in a huge set up. I could go on and on. These frickers mock congress when they are under oath
The dumbest people in the US keep walking into the same traps that politicians and intelligence keeps laying for them. They are incapable of picking up patterns and the same tactics they use over and over
Yet, the OT mentally deranged sloths just keep believing the same intelligence that has lied repeatedly to the American public, many times under oath. The same intelligence that conspired to destroy a sitting president. The same intelligence that spy on American citizens and lied about it. The same intelligence that said the laptop was Russian disinformation. The same intelligence that created the crack epidemic in black communities to help fund their illegal operations over seas. The same intelligence that started color revolutions and coups in over 70 countries. The same intelligence that labeled regular American citizens at school boards terrorists. The same intelligence that is labeling anyone who they deem spreading misinformation (truth) as terrorists. The same intelligence that targeted poor/mentally unstable people, creating and then foiling their own terrorist plots to get more funding. The same intelligence that set up the whitmer kidnapping. The same intelligence that showed up in mass on Jan 6th to encourage unsuspecting people to go into the capitol in a huge set up. I could go on and on. These frickers mock congress when they are under oath
The dumbest people in the US keep walking into the same traps that politicians and intelligence keeps laying for them. They are incapable of picking up patterns and the same tactics they use over and over
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 9:59 am
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 9:59 am to doubleb
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So we have Ukrainians fighting each other in a civil war.
Russia decides to intercede. Why? Because they want control over parts of a neighboring country.
Don't oversimply to make a strawman.
Fact is, much of modern day Ukriane, historically has been Russia's territory with Russians living there. People in East Ukraine don't even speak Ukrainian, and it was fine- it was a bilingual society. Until nationalists came to power via coup in 2014.Which may or may not have been backed by Soros (CIA was certainly involved).
So when a pro-Russian president they elected was ousted by nationalists in Kiev, those people, granted backed by Russia, rebelled and as a result were heavily shelled sustaining many civil casualties. This went on for 8 years. Western media briefly covered it, along with Patrick Lancaster.
So basically that east Ukraine region endured what the rest of Ukraine is enduring today for 8 years. That's where the infamy of Azov arose- they were just a Nazi militia that became incorporated into Ukrainian Army. Russia gave an ultimatum for Ukraine to stop shelling Donbass region and withdraw troops around the border or else face attack.
This war has been brewing for 8 some years. Ukrainian administrations had plenty of opportunities to avoid this conflict, but hardliners didn't want to give up territory they no longer controlled. They will lose more as a result.
Not a hard conflict to graps if you have above room temperature IQ.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:03 am to doubleb
quote:We all have "wants".
The Eastern European countries fear Russia, and they naturally turn to NATO for help. Why wouldn’t they? NATO is strong militarily and economically. Who wouldn’t want to live under their protective umbrella.
Sometimes wants are poisoned with a dose of reality.
In this case, NATO had wants, Russia had wants, Ukraine had wants. The wants conflicted. How did that work out for Ukraine?
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:05 am to Hog on the Hill
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It was more like 97% which I'm sure was an extremely legitimate result
There’s a reason the Ukrainian government bombed the shite out of them for 8 straight years
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:06 am to NC_Tigah
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No. It is not debatable. That is the point and the tragedy of it.
Not just Putin, but the entire Russian politick made it crystal clear.
NATO incorporation of Georgia and/or Ukraine into NATO was a "bright red line" that Russia perceived as a threat to its national interest. And btw, the Russian invasion of Crimea was d/t NATO, so btw was Georgia.
Russia took Georgia for geopolitical and economic reasons. It had nothing to do with NATO.
Russia invaded Crimea, part of the Ukraine. Why wouldn’t the Ukraine seek protection from Russia? Russia has proven time after time that they will use their military to interfere and dominate their neighbors.
The Russian Empire coexisted along side NATO for several decades before it fell apart. Not because NATO invaded, but because those living within the Russian Empire wanted to be in the west. They no longer could tolerate Russian oppression and their system.
Putin is using NATO as an excuse to take more power and control.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:06 am to xxTIMMYxx
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The analysis coming from sites like southfront don’t have anywhere near the propaganda I see in the west.
So don’t trust US media, but we should trust a Russian website with suspected ties to the Kremlin?
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:07 am to NC_Tigah
The official western story of how Georgia started is a false one. Georgia was attacking people, which they later denied
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:08 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:It was more a "Welcome to Russia" parade, but Crimea did change hands.
Crimea wasn’t invaded
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:09 am to xxTIMMYxx
quote:IIRC, even the western review tribunals admitted as much.
Georgia was attacking people
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:12 am to OldmanBeasley
quote:If you trust any of them, you're a fool.
So don’t trust US media, but we should trust a Russian website
At this stage my approach is distrust, and verify.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:12 am to OldmanBeasley
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So don’t trust US media, but we should trust a Russian website with suspected ties to the Kremlin?
When this was on the news for 3 years, yes, Kremlin based info can't be viewed as less reliable. They are both unreliable, but CNN has verified track record of intentionally lying and covering up information.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:22 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Like I said before. The analysis coming from sites like southfront don’t have anywhere near the propaganda I see in the west.
Dude stop lying. Everyone knows that Southfront is an FSB disinformation site.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:29 am to Decatur
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Decatur
Mr Dossier calling out what is and isnt fake news
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:42 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Imagine digging trenches in known radioactive soil. lmao
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:50 am to Kansas City King
Zelensky said women were raped and killed in front of children. Propaganda is in full desperado mode.
THey're just saying absurd shite and hoping something sticks.
THey're just saying absurd shite and hoping something sticks.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:03 am to dr90210
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Not a hard conflict to graps if you have above room temperature IQ.
But listening to Don Lemon cry on CNN makes me more intellectual though
Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:18 am to Palmetto98
This is what "late night news" programming looked like on CNN just a year ago.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:23 am to dr90210
It’s amazing how we’re seen as crazy for questioning a source that has just went through a scandal and lied to us for the past few years lol.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:32 am to doubleb
quote:You are unfamiliar with the facts.
Russia took Georgia for geopolitical and economic reasons.
quote:
Georgia 'started unjustified war'
by BBC
30 September 2009
The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded.
...
The report said about 850 people were killed in the August 2008 war, and that more than 100,000 fled their homes, about 35,000 of whom are still displaced.
It was commissioned by the Council of the European Union, and written by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini, with the help of 30 European military, legal and history experts.
The conflict erupted on 7 August 2008, as Georgia shelled the breakaway region of South Ossetia, in an attempt to regain control over it. The previous months had seen a series of clashes.
Russian forces quickly repelled the assault, and pushed further into Georgia.
The conflict lasted for five days before a ceasefire was agreed. Russia pulled back, but built up its military presence in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
LINK
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NATO bases in Crimea would be categorically unacceptable for Russia — Lavrov
NATO’s military bases would appear in Crimea if it hadn’t rejoined Russia in 2014 and remained part of Ukraine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told Al Jazeera.
"The European Union played its main role in 2014, when it failed make its guarantees to be respected," he said in an interview. "A putsch took place, the putschists sent gangs of armed militants to Crimea, when Crimea held a referendum, rejected the putschists and reunited with the Russian Federation."
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